Really sorry for another gear thread. I have searched, that's how I ended up with the list as it is. To be fair though, there is a fair degree of disagreement about what is right or wrong both on this forum and elsewhere.wayno wrote:search the forum, this has been argued before at length.
I have a Macpac Pulsar on the list. Does this not qualify as a decent down jacket?wayno wrote:you're going to be cold as soon as you stop especially early and late in the day... get a decent down jacket and not an ultralight one.
Done. I have a a Helly Hansen Daybreaker Fleece Jacket. Will this do the job?wayno wrote:flag the merino jacket, too heavy, holds too much sweat. get a fleece.
I have been looking at bags, a Marmot Helium (-9C) is in the lead at the moment, or I may hire.wayno wrote:get a down sleeping bag, far warmer for the weight and bulk. those liners are heavy and don't provide much warmth for the weight.
I hear you, that's why I am here.wayno wrote:personally, dont agonise over weight, make sure you are going to be warm enough or the weight saving defeats the purpose of the exercise.
Ok - sounds like I should ditch it. I knew that the Pulsar was synthetic, but I have never worn it in any condition that challenged it - even at rest. I have a Macpac Uber Light Down Vest I could throw on over the fleece when stopped. Alternatively I could steal my sons Macpac Halo Down Jacketwayno wrote:pulsar isnt down, its synthetic fill, nowhere near as much loft or as warm as the average down jacket, they are more for use in cool conditions or active in cold conditions, down jacket will cover you when you're not moving or you're still for a long period of time...
So for walking how does the 100 weight fleece supplemented by the Marmot Essence if windy sound? Halo Down Jacket in reserve and for rest/night?wayno wrote:that fleece is ok, again not as warm as a down jacket, fleeces again are more for when you're moving and its cold or cool conditions sitting around.
its a 100 weight fleece which is the thinner end of fleeces, 200 weight are warmer but bulkier, again with a down jacket you're less likely to need a heavier weight of fleece..
Sweet.wayno wrote:the marmot bag should be ok, the down jacket helps if the bag gets too cold.
Was not planning on a mattress, assuming the tea house beds will do the job. Bad idea?Moondog55 wrote:Just general information ideas not specifics
Mattress System?
Moondog55 wrote:Warm pants could add a lot of comfort, the quilt over a LW down bag and ditch the Thermaltake liner
If the Pulsar is big enough? layer over a Uniqlo UL down but getting a decent down parka [ I think you really need a hood and the longer length] would be much better, not really a place for UL down IMO, warmer is better
Moondog55 wrote:Will your sons Halo layer over your own Pulsar?
That combo would be adequate if a warm enough hat was worn, so take a buff and/or a decent balaclava
wayno wrote:halo is better, uber light is getting pretty light, depends what your experience is with weather this cold. different people need differing amounts of clothes.. some of the lighter down jackets down have uniform down distribution and more cold spots...
Moondog55 wrote:Macpac have their Arrowsmith on clearance if you needed a Large or a Medium
It never came in XXL or I may have bought one for my own use even tho it is very short in the body
https://www.macpac.com.au/clearance/men ... -mens.html
Flipper Hands wrote:Moondog55 wrote:Will your sons Halo layer over your own Pulsar?
That combo would be adequate if a warm enough hat was worn, so take a buff and/or a decent balaclava
I will give it a shot.
Moondog55 wrote:Fleece works. Can you sew? Because a pair of DIY pull-on fleece pants is as cheap and easy as it gets, big and wide enough to pull on over boots etc A pajama pattern works best for these even better with a LW windproof layer over the top and just to below the knee is long enough, weighs only a couple of hundred grams
Personally I use cheap US Army surplus winter liners when I don't want to ruin my good winter insulated pants or really cheap skiing bib&brace or ALDI snowboard pants with the gaiters cut off
Remember to take insect spray for the fleas and bedbugs
That Marmot Helium under the synthetic quilt should be OK down to -20C; with adequate clothing inside it even lower, I did think the Possum used APEX insulation tho which is better for quilts.
Cecile could sew you up a pair of warm pants if you were up for it as we have some spare generic fleece
Sending you a PM too
Thanks for the detailed reply Ron, my comments on the weather come from information on weather in Lobuche last March (I'll actually start late Feb) from here;RonK wrote:Since you are going in March, I think it's unlikely to be as cold as you have posted. Over several spring treks I can't recall temps getting lower than about -15c overnight in the Khumbu and I'd be very surprised if daytime temps are as low as -10. And if you get sunny weather (which I'd expect) it can be quite warm.
I use a Marmot Helium, my wife a Marmot Lithium for trekking. The Helium has always been warm enough for me, in fact I rarely needed to zip it up fully - and I'm talking about autumn camping treks, not tea-housing. Only above Dingboche did I fully zip up.
I'm not familiar with most the clothing you list. I would take a good down jacket and microfleece pants for the teahouses, hut booties, beanie.
I always walked in shorts and gaiters, at higher altitudes with thermals underneath, rain pants over for snow, thermal top, a 150 fleece or softshell jacket depending on the temp. I've never walked in fleece pants. I've used several hard shells, not just for rain but as another layer against wind chill when necessary. You don't need an technical shell, a Marmot Precip worked just fine for me and was a lot lighter than the three-layer Goretex I've also used. Make sure it has pit zips.
You will of course need good socks and gloves. Don't forget to take sunscreen, a sun hat with a lanyard like the one I'm wearing - your ears will burn in a cap. And good wrap around sunglasses - if there is snow it can be blinding.
Buy a couple of cheap cotton sarongs in Thamel, their uses are endless and I always trekked with one around my neck, as you can se.
Something else to think about - teahouse bedding is not unlikely to have bedbugs. One other thing. Take a roll of toilet paper. The longest one you can find.
If you don't' want to go to the expense of buying a sleeping bag, you can hire one from Shona's in Thamel. It's best to email her and let her know what you need in advance. She is very knowledgeable and can advise, just tell when and where you'll be trekking.
Shona's Alpine
Since you are going in March, I think it's unlikely to be as cold as you have posted. Over several spring treks I can't recall temps getting lower than about -15c overnight in the Khumbu and I'd be very surprised if daytime temps are as low as -10. And if you get sunny weather (which I'd expect) it can be quite warm.
Drew wrote:Sounds too cold to me. I was there in October a few years ago and it was nowhere near that cold (maybe got down to -10 overnight). Different time of year I know, but you could look at weather records from the same website for Octobers and see what it says - it might be completely inaccurate. Or just read some trip reports from early March and see what people say about temps.
You'll be fine with tea house mattresses, no need to take a mat.
The coldest time is sitting around tea houses in the afternoon before they light the fire. Often you'll be in your sleeping bag then.
CheckRonK wrote:I'm not familiar with most the clothing you list. I would take a good down jacket and microfleece pants for the teahouses, hut booties, beanie.
I'll add nylon shorts to the list for lower altitudes. For the moment I have decided the Glacier pants alone (with gaiters) will do the job on colder days. I will leave the thermal pants at home in favour of a pair of Montbell Chameece fleece pants I picked up today for the teahouses. I have the Marmot Precip pants that match your jacket, and the Marmot Essence jacket which is a lighter version of the Precip (it does have pit zips). They will be my protection from windchill if required.RonK wrote:I always walked in shorts and gaiters, at higher altitudes with thermals underneath, rain pants over for snow, thermal top, a 150 fleece or softshell jacket depending on the temp. I've never walked in fleece pants. I've used several hard shells, not just for rain but as another layer against wind chill when necessary. You don't need an technical shell, a Marmot Precip worked just fine for me and was a lot lighter than the three-layer Goretex I've also used. Make sure it has pit zips.
Check on the socks, gloves, sunscreen, sunglasses. I'll use a buff over my face and ears (cover your chin in the front and pull the back up and over the back of your head). I intensely dislike sun hats. I like minimal impact to peripheral vision.RonK wrote:You will of course need good socks and gloves. Don't forget to take sunscreen, a sun hat with a lanyard like the one I'm wearing - your ears will burn in a cap. And good wrap around sunglasses - if there is snow it can be blinding.
What do you recommend to combat fleas and bed bugs? Mortein?RonK wrote:Something else to think about - teahouse bedding is not unlikely to have bedbugs.
Maybe 2?RonK wrote:One other thing. Take a roll of toilet paper. The longest one you can find.
johnrs wrote:Heh FH
Some long time ago in late November I stumbled over the Cho La in my woollen school long pants, with a Mountain mule H frame pack,
other gear was a sunshade, some Paddy Gorilla leather boots, a cotton T shirt, a pair of stubbies, a very light wool shirt, a local beany,
a bulky down jacket hired in Kathmandu, a home made japara and "superdown" bag and A frame tent, a closed cell foam mat, a pair of
coarse wool socks and a water bottle which froze and became useless. I might have had some gloves too but possibly not.
The directions were: see the notch across the glacier, there's a few cairns and a campsite at the bottom.
We also had a sketch map at about 1:250k which was as useful as my waterbottle.
At Gokyo there were just two smokefilled small shepherds huts.
It was better to sleep in the tent.
Loved the down jacket, it had a really big hood and luxurious handwarmers.
My mate carried a Katadyn pumped ceramic water filter, this was a really good piece of kit,
the only times we got sick were when we had eaten too much yoghurt.
In the upper Khumbu the food was just lots of boiled potatoes and rock salt.
Lower down there was roast millet porridge which was solid but very constipating.
The budget on trail was $2US daily with $1 for permits.
Had a great trip.
Happy trails
John
wayno wrote:the essence doesnt have proper pit zips. a couple of small holes with a cover pit zips open up and vent far better than the essence and you can close them wehn you need to
Ok - those pants are indeed heavy, I do like them though comfortable, decent waterproofing, and completely windproof. My plans are pretty fluid at the moment, and my latest thinking was the Glacier pants only for walking (maybe a pair of Nylon shorts as well), with a pair of fleece pants to go on as well if its unbearably cold. I was going to the Glaciers in town as well (or shorts). Fleece pants normally for camp/sleep.davidf wrote:I reckon ditch the soft shell pants. Take light weight travel pants and extra long thermals. Lighter and more versitle and you have something to wear on the plane and in town. Scotch gaurd the pants and good chance you wont have to put on over pants. Recomend 3 thermal leggings.nothing is wrong with poly and cheaper than wool.
Are you suggesting drop all the rain gear? Still deliberating on sleeping (One of Mikes -8C quilts 100g overstuffed is tempting).davidf wrote:I also agree with above, get a FO big down bag and jacket. If its that cold its not raining.
Flipper Hands wrote:wayno wrote:the essence doesnt have proper pit zips. a couple of small holes with a cover pit zips open up and vent far better than the essence and you can close them wehn you need to
True, but it is light, and does breath better than my an old TNF Venture which has sizeable pit zips, but which is heavier than the Essence. In all but the coldest Aussie conditions I sweat like a beast in it compared to the Essence.
What do you reckon?
My intention was to use the Essence for rain (if any, looks dry usually), and wind.
Is the lack of pit zips a complete deal breaker?
What would you suggest?
Ta Wayno, you are a champion for being so patient with me. So much I do not know, and would rather not learn the hard waywayno wrote:it will do the job, pit zips are better, but dont feel compelled to buy something else.. breathable rain jackets stop breathing in prolonged rain, which you're not likely to have that much of on this trip. in sub zero you are using raincoats for windbreakers and you dont have to worry about contacting melting snow getting your clothes wet
physical vents become more important the wetter it gets
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