Hi norts, thanks for the info of the Moabs and the Altras.
I use the non waterproof Moabs for general use, not much for hiking. They are ok, but the Salomon more comfortable for my feet. Might have a go on the Altras in a while, have a new pair of Salomons and should start using them!
These have been almost daily used since March 2016 and between 1800 and 2000km over the whole time.
Wouldn't use these worn ones for trips but still use them daily waiting for them to fall apart but they haven't!