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Liamy77 wrote:Just to clarify: can the fly be set up first before the inner in rainy conditions?
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ollster wrote:Good review. Might help to clarify that "everyone complained that their own tents flapped around that night" - with a sample of 6 other designs.
PS: Where's the chicken hat?!
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Thu 05 Jan, 2012 10:36 pm
ILUVSWTAS wrote:Liamy77 wrote:Just to clarify: can the fly be set up first before the inner in rainy conditions?
No thats right it cannot. I've never thought thats important though. If it's raining when your setting your tent up, your likely to be wet already. Just pitch it and get it and get dry. Or just harden up princess.
Being a seperate fly you CAN however pack the fly seperately when wet so the mesh tent inner stays dry. It's a good set up.
Fri 06 Jan, 2012 5:24 am
etrangere wrote:Too bad its not freestanding
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JohnM wrote:IMO, non-integrated pitch is just inferior design. It's a PITA having to pitch an inner first when it's bucketing rain, and while I might be wet, I'd rather the inner be dry. .
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Sat 07 Jan, 2012 12:09 am
Franco wrote:Most "freestanding" tents fail to fulfill the freestanding definition , that is "A tent that requires no ropes or stakes to support the tent. Most dome tents are self-supporting.'
If by "tent" we adopt the US version of the term , (the bit everybody else calls the inner...) than the ones that only need the vestibule to be pegged out can (maybe) pass.
For example the Hubba.
However a tent like this one or the Big Agnes (Fly Creek) that need to have the inner pegged to retain the shape are not in a practical sense freestanding at all.
From my point of view , the only fully freestanding tents are the two pole wedge type (Bibler iTent type) and the few dome tents with supported vestibules like the Bibler Pinon/Jupiter or the newer Hilleberg Soulo/Allak.
When you move this tent you still need to put 2 pegs in for the inner and several others for the fly.
If using two pegs is is freestanding than my Moment also is. That too only needs 2 pegs, in fact it sits fully shaped just with those two...
Interestingly Jack Wolfskin call their version (Termite 1) freestanding too, however the similar Carbon Reflex 1 is called non-freestanding by MSR.
http://cascadedesigns.com/msr/tents/exp ... -1/product
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