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Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby GPSGuided » Fri 12 Jun, 2015 8:48 am

12 months ago we had the Mk III thread.
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Now, Mk IV is out, with 'stacked CMOS' sensor and 4K video along with upgraded autofocus and electronic viewfinder. Not cheap.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby GPSGuided » Wed 29 Jul, 2015 10:58 am

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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby wayno » Wed 29 Jul, 2015 11:30 am

some of us peasants still have the mark 1
but as an Olympus EM snob, I'm perfectly happy with that as my backup camera... :mrgreen:
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby GPSGuided » Wed 29 Jul, 2015 12:15 pm

Peasants have Mk1? I don't even have a RX100. Mk0 would be a dream come true. :P
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby wayno » Wed 29 Jul, 2015 12:50 pm

GPSGuided wrote:Peasants have Mk1? I don't even have a RX100. Mk0 would be a dream come true. :P


the original models are being snapped up for a good price at the moment I understand
you can do a comparison on the dpreview review and compare how the different models stack up in various categories.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby GPSGuided » Wed 29 Jul, 2015 12:59 pm

Yes, there's been incremental improvements along the models. The 28mm wide end in the Mk1 was a show stopper for me.
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Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby RonK » Wed 29 Jul, 2015 1:15 pm

wayno wrote:some of us peasants still have the mark 1...

which is so good that I'm hardly tempted to upgrade.

even though my wife has now gone one better with the mark 2.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby wayno » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 7:02 am

good grief the mk 4 is expensive, $1600 in NZ, considering what else you could buy, i bought my olympus em5 kit with a 2.8 pro zoom lens for a fair bit less than that.
i bought the mk 1 brand new for half that....
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby GPSGuided » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 8:08 am

No way! It's just under $1k here in Sydney on the street from a discount photo gear shop. Are you sure? $1600 could get you a Sony A7II, almost.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby wayno » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 8:46 am

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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby wayno » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 9:06 am

and some shops are still selling the mk one for up to $800
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby GPSGuided » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 9:07 am

Actually, Sydney prices on photo goods are remarkably competitive these days. I am not sure if it it's a lingering effect of the high AUD of recent or the induced competitiveness by all the online shopping. Bought some new gears in May and the prices were good enough to compete with HK/SIN, especially after the GST refund. Not sure how long this state will last for as they are bound to raise the RRP with our current Fx rate.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby GPSGuided » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 9:09 am

Wayno, for the margin, you can fly to Sydney and back and still have change. One day trip even.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby photohiker » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 10:52 am

Wouldn't work. He'd get slugged duty at customs.

Unless he sneaked it in somehow.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby wayno » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 10:55 am

for what, the camera i'm using for my holidays? with grubby fingerprints all over it, it dosent look new at all..
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby photohiker » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 11:05 am

Don't you have to declare items on the way out?

I can remember getting a bit of a pep talk from the customs people in Auckland when I arrived with a full camera bag. They itemized my collection and told me I would have to pay duty if anything was missing on the way out. Luckily, nothing was stolen or lost on the trip. To be fair, that hasn't happened on more recent trips.
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Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby GPSGuided » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 1:25 pm

You must have had a pretty conspicuous pro setup to get picked on like that. For a single pocket camera carry, it'd be pretty uneventful. A pretty standard and accepted loophole. Just don't bring back the packaging/receipts. Mail them back separately if you have to.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby Hiking Noob » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 4:37 pm

Wow, if that thing had a hand grip I would seriously consider buying one, at $1000 I think it's great value.

I am too lazy to read, do they have a manual focus ring and where are they made?
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby whitefang » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 4:48 pm

wayno wrote:and some shops are still selling the mk one for up to $800


That is just ridiculous. I managed to score the mkIII for $749 with a sony accessory pack (64GB SD card, hand grip and screen protector).
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby GPSGuided » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 4:51 pm

It's built for a compact and pocketable camera. Having a largish grip would detract from that original objective. But if that's what you need, check the following link.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=hand ... lAod538IEg

In this day and age, where they are made is hardly relevant. What's more important is whether the product has good design and QA along the way. Sony and Apple products are typically fine in this regard. If your objective was to support Australian manufacturing, sorry, no dice here.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby Hiking Noob » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 7:28 pm

GPSGuided wrote:It's built for a compact and pocketable camera. Having a largish grip would detract from that original objective. But if that's what you need, check the following link.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=hand ... lAod538IEg

In this day and age, where they are made is hardly relevant. What's more important is whether the product has good design and QA along the way. Sony and Apple products are typically fine in this regard. If your objective was to support Australian manufacturing, sorry, no dice here.


Yeah I just never really understand why some cameras don't run a hand grip if the lens protrudes from the front quite a bit, it doesn't make it any less pocketable, my Ricoh GR and Lumix both have them and are pocketable.

I know that country of manufacture doesn't always have a great impact on build quality but I just like to support companies that keep work in their home country. A couple of years ago I went from a Cheap Japanese made Lumix to a more expensive GH2 that was made in China and it was a heap of rubbish. I sent it to the repairer after a few weeks of ownership and Pana wouldn't warrant it so I left it with the repairer, God it was a bad camera and their warranty department is so frustrating, my last Pana purchase for sure.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby photohiker » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 7:43 pm

Really, the RX100 only needs a finger grip. The lens at full extension still has no weight in it.
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Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby GPSGuided » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 7:55 pm

Hiking Noob wrote:A couple of years ago I went from a Cheap Japanese made Lumix to a more expensive GH2 that was made in China and it was a heap of rubbish.

Can only blame the company involved for trading production cost over quality control. China now puts men and women into space, so it certainly has the manufacturing ability for our earthly needs. I would look at the company and the specific product than the location of manufacture these days. Price is also no guide.

BTW, iPhones are all made in China these days and they are of premium quality.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby RonK » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 8:17 pm

photohiker wrote:Really, the RX100 only needs a finger grip. The lens at full extension still has no weight in it.

It doesn't actually even "need" that. I've been using my Mk I quite happily without.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby whitefang » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 8:35 pm

RonK wrote:
photohiker wrote:Really, the RX100 only needs a finger grip. The lens at full extension still has no weight in it.

It doesn't actually even "need" that. I've been using my Mk I quite happily without.


I have a grip on mine and I'm not sure it makes all that much difference.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby Hiking Noob » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 8:47 pm

I find cameras without it slightly awkward to use but that is no longer a problem as GPSGuided pointed out.

My current camera fits in pretty well any pocket and has a really nice handgrip, sadly the camera probably isn't far off dying as I have dropped it a couple of times in it's case but it is not a fan of rough treatment. The lens motor is out of alignment and one of the blinds(FWOABW) occasional sticks when the camera is switched on, it feels really well built for the weight and it's made in China.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby GPSGuided » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 8:58 pm

Think UL gram counting and aesthetics to understand the presence and absence of a grip.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby RonK » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 10:21 pm

Hiking Noob wrote:I find cameras without it slightly awkward to use but that is no longer a problem as GPSGuided pointed out.

I think perhaps you may not appreciate just how small and light the RX100 actually is.
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby photohiker » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 10:37 pm

Actually, they're pretty close. The GR is wider than the RX, but also thinner and lighter:

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The main difference is that the GR has a fixed lens (28mm equivalent) while the RX has a zoom (24-70mm equivalent)
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Re: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV

Postby Hiking Noob » Sun 23 Aug, 2015 11:08 pm

The Ricoh GR is USELESS at shooting video, I mean five year old mobile phone sort of quality, the manual focus is a joke and the menu system is mostly good but things like turning the ND filter off when auto refuses to is a nightmare(for me anyway). I own but in no real way recommend the GR, it can take some very nice shots but unless you are a dirty bearded hipster it's probably not for you. I also have a Ricoh GXR which is an odd beast, heavy, clunky but with a cheap Russian lens it is a bunch of fun.

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