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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby corvus » Sun 01 Jan, 2017 9:53 pm

Most of the Privately owned Huts are evident to independent walkers on the OLT especially at night.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby geoskid » Sun 01 Jan, 2017 10:54 pm

Nuts wrote:Sorry, Geo-s, he's right. Meanwhile, maybe you can express what 'line' you set (and why) (if any)?


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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby geoskid » Sun 01 Jan, 2017 11:53 pm

G'day Nuts,
I'm not sure where the line should be drawn, or to be more precise, what commercial enterprise or private infrastructure should or should not be allowed in NP, WHA.
I don't advocate open slather, nor total preclusion. I don't have a problem with private enterprise providing/offering/facilitating experiential tourism in NP, WH areas in principle.
If a person is against these things in principle, then there is nothing to discuss.

The reason I asked about your stance is because you are an existing commercial operator, and obviously not opposed in principle.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Mon 02 Jan, 2017 5:58 am

My position has been stated a number of times, including positive 'in principle' support for projects on land abutting Parks and WHA.
I'd suggest though, as is also quite clear, that in supporting any of these infrastructure projects with parks, or in not opposing them, you do in fact opt for 'open slather'.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Lost » Mon 02 Jan, 2017 7:30 am

Where does it all stop. Some places on this planet are hard to get to and to me that's the beauty of these places. Start building "eco friendly huts " and safe easy walking trails and you will gain a one certain demographics of society and lose another.

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby north-north-west » Mon 02 Jan, 2017 1:35 pm

Nuts wrote:My position has been stated a number of times, including positive 'in principle' support for projects on land abutting Parks and WHA.
I'd suggest though, as is also quite clear, that in supporting any of these infrastructure projects with parks, or in not opposing them, you do in fact opt for 'open slather'.

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby geoskid » Tue 03 Jan, 2017 5:27 pm

Nuts wrote:My position has been stated a number of times, including positive 'in principle' support for projects on land abutting Parks and WHA.
I'd suggest though, as is also quite clear, that in supporting any of these infrastructure projects with parks, or in not opposing them, you do in fact opt for 'open slather'.


Of course you can suggest that, regardless, it is fallacious, as is ScottyK's "thin edge of the wedge" in his OP.
I pointed this out, in the way precedent is misused, but that seems to have been removed.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby corvus » Tue 03 Jan, 2017 9:09 pm

To many words .
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Wed 04 Jan, 2017 9:40 am

Haha (doesn't bode well for me :( )

Your questions are fair enough Geoskid, though i'm sure you can appreciate giving any more than opinion and public perspective as I have (based on information publicly available) here is unfair. Consider it just commentary/ mostly opinion, a filler (shrug) to accompany links to info that may be missed or of related interest.

I don't get bogged down in critical analysis of other's thought processes, technically incorrect perhaps, nothing like the vast stream of untruths in the anti-trump rhetoric (lets hope the buffoon doesn't facilitate too much global damage in his time, hopefully his ego will be tempered by unpopularity). To me 'pristine' is defined by the Tasmanian reserved estate. 'For sale' will do, for all intents and purposes, is good enough. How so not 'precedents'?

I don't see a natural progression, I see minimising impact in supporting a wide user base v's.. simply generating revenue, a relative pittance yet likely substantial for some. Even permit systems and exclusive camping platforms should be an absolute, last resort. Underpinning that I think 'intrinsic value' is a valid and noble concept, yet so difficult to envisage a role for, for us humans.

Anyhow...:

http://www.outdoorrevival.com/instant-a ... chise.html

and no, (here's another 'I'..) I don't support this approach, very much the opposite, an essential service, i'd have those mainlanders coughing up their taxes still.. as that's where the bulk of any profits will go, there or quite possibly the Canary Islands.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sat 07 Jan, 2017 7:21 am

Anyhow...

Moving on (or back):
http://www.themercury.com.au/news/opini ... 776bd78ea2

Not that the public consultation process seems to have ever been more than lip service.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Mon 09 Jan, 2017 6:00 pm

An older one, shared by pm (sharing concerns over a 'monopoly of exclusive national ownership'):

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/push- ... 35q8s.html
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Tue 10 Jan, 2017 11:52 am

There are so many of these incursions into our wilderness, and coming thick and fast. The bliss of ignorance is tempting.

http://www.themercury.com.au/lifestyle/ ... 3304c6fb4e

Some exclusive huts, A $&(*()%^$(.) swimming pool bathing facility! Natural progression?


Storm over Three Capes track ‘bath’ with critics panning proposal as too large
December 11, 2016 12:00am
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"The Tasmanian Walking Company is planning two huts on the Three Capes Track, which include a controversial 4m-long bath. Picture: RICHARD JUPE

AN outdoor “bathing facility” planned for an exclusive hut on the Three Capes track is attracting opposition from critics who say its size is closer to that of a swimming pool.

The Tasmanian Conservation Trust is concerned the 4-metre long outdoor “bath” poses a threat to wildlife and would require the destruction of vegetation in the Tasman National Park. But the tourism company proposing the 6000-litre bath says it is not intended for swimming.

Tasmanian Walking Company general manager Heath Garratt said the bath would be part of a wellness and relaxation experience.

“This is much smaller than a swimming pool and it’s not a place to do laps or plunge, it’s for sitting and relaxing. It’s just a very big bath,” he said.

TCT director Peter McGlone, who has written to Tasman Council opposing the facility, said it was “absurd to have a swimming pool in a wilderness area”.

“No assessment has been made for the potential for animals to get into the pool while full of water and drown or to get into the pool while empty and be trapped,” Mr McGlone said in a submission to Tasman Council.

The Tasmanian Walking Company has lodged a development application with Tasman Council for two high-end huts for the Three Capes Track.

It says the bath would be 4m by 1.5m and 1m deep.

Mr Garratt said it would be filled once a year for the duration of the walking season and be heated slightly “to take the chill off” when there was surplus solar energy available.

To reduce the effect of chlorine on the environment, the water is proposed to be sanitised by either UV or ozone sterilisation equipment. This would require much less chlorination, at a level similar to drinking water.

Tasmanian National Parks Association vice-president Nicholas Sawyer said he was concerned the proposal was more in keeping with a resort than a wilderness walking hut"
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Mon 30 Jan, 2017 10:01 am

"The organisation claims that community attitudes towards the state’s reserves had evolved on issues with tourism visitation, commercial arrangements within national parks.. "



http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/443 ... et-demand/


I suppose they are obligated to claim such things. I'd say de-volved, if anything. But not even that.. 'left like rabbits in the spot light' ?
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sat 25 Feb, 2017 11:56 am

http://www.themercury.com.au/lifestyle/ ... e9aa92a9ff

All developers. :(
And a government agency! :?




TASMANIA’S tourism operators have taken all before them at the Qantas Australian Tourism Awards in Darwin, winning five gold medals — equal most with New South Wales — along with a swag of silvers and bronzes.

This is the third year in a row Tasmanian operators have won the most medals of any state or territory at the event.

Tasmania is well and truly “on the map” when it comes to outstanding tourism, said Tourism Industry Council of Tasmania chief Luke Martin.
Cape Hauy on the Three Capes Track. Picture: RICHARD JUPE

Only a few years ago it was big news if Tassie won three medals, he said.

“Now there are expectations that we will clean up.

“It used to be that we were considered to be punching above our weight, now we are setting the weight — we are the tourism leaders in the country.”

The much-lauded Three Capes Track took out gold for the best new tourism development of 2016.

When completed, the four-day, three-night 46km walking track will take in the Tasman Peninsula with spectacular views to Cape Pillar and Cape Hauy and the tallest sea cliffs in the Southern Hemisphere.

The three award-winning huts on the track sleep up to 48 walkers in a series of separate buildings linked by decks or walkways, with bunk rooms, cooking areas, communal spaces and staff quarters.
ALL SMILES: Dan Hackett, centre, from RiverFly 1864, with Heath Garratt and Ros Young from Tasmanian Walking Company at the Australian Tourism Awards. Picture: ELISE DERWIN

Construction of the third stage between Cape Raoul and Shipstern Lookout started last month.

“This is the final endorsement on a pretty spectacular 12 months for the Three Capes,’’ Mr Martin said. The Parks and Wildlife operated track has attracted 16,500 walkers, almost three times the original projected number of 6000, since it opened before Christmas 2015.

“Everybody that does this walk is amazed ... by the landscape, the views, the quality of the track work and the style of the accommodation. It is unlike anything we’ve seen in Tasmania.”

The 13-year journey to see the $30 million Three Capes Track almost completed has attracted its share of knockers along the way, he said.

“They wanted to know why was Tasmania spending this much money on a bushwalking track.”

It is the biggest financial investment in an Australian national park for the past 25 years, since Uluru in the Northern Territory, he said.

“No other state has done what Tasmania has done and now we are enjoying the visitors. Three Capes has set a benchmark and we should aspire to that with all our national parks.”
RiverFly 1864 won gold in the specialist tourism services category. Picture: SUPPLIED

RiverFly 1864 has won its first ever national gold medal in the competitive specialist tourism services category.

Originally founded as a river-based guiding business in 2005, the family fly-fishing business, owned by Daniel and Simone Hackett, now offers Tasmania’s first Orvis and Patagonia dealer fly shop called FlyShop 1864 and accommodation with their RiverFly Wilderness Huts.

The Hacketts run Tasmania’s first licenced Western Lakes guided fly-fishing operation from remote huts in the Tasmanian World Heritage Area next to the Walls of Jerusalem National Park.

The gold medal win is a first for the Australian fly-fishing industry.

Saffire Freycinet won gold for Australia’s finest luxury accommodation.

Last year it was officially named the world’s best boutique luxury hotel, and now “has reclaimed the mantle” as Australia’s best luxury accommodation, said Mr Martin.

“Saffire is regarded as the best in the world,’’ he said.

“Congratulations to the Federal Group, general manager Justin King and the outstanding team at the remarkable Saffire Freycinet.”
The Old Woolstore Apartment Hotel.
Saffire Freycinet.

The Old Woolstore won gold in the business events category and has entered the Australian Tourism Hall of Fame by winning the category three years in a row. “Bigger does not always mean better in tourism and the Old Woolstore Apartment Hotel was judged ahead of some of the country’s largest convention centres,” Mr Martin said.

The Tasmanian Walking Company won the gold medal for ecotourism.

Operators of Cradle Mountain Huts Walk, Wineglass Bay Sail Walk and the Bay of Fires Lodge Walk, the TWC has won gold for the second year in the ecotourism category.

Its latest exclusive walk package on the Three Capes Track is expected to open in October and includes guided walks for groups of 14 staying overnight in two high-end huts.

Tasmanian operators have now won the ecotourism category for five consecutive years.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nungulba » Sat 25 Feb, 2017 3:23 pm

Just an innocent inquiry: Has anyone (Govt, Business, etc) actually done a Cost/Benefit Analysis of this project? The whole idea sounds to me like more political "Pie-in-the Sky". A typical stunt from a Government in a Mid-Term Morass! Before we get our Bond's in a Bind, it might be worth asking how feasible it is to build yet another road into the wilderness (another "Road to Nowhere"?) for the dubious benefit of an elite few?? The history of Tasmanian Tourism is littered with the carcasses of failed businesses. Thank God for our small-minded politicians and Tasmania's "unique" climate, Heh?
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nungulba » Sat 25 Feb, 2017 4:13 pm

Nuts wrote:"The organisation claims that community attitudes towards the state’s reserves had evolved on issues with tourism visitation, commercial arrangements within national parks.. "



http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/443 ... et-demand/


I suppose they are obligated to claim such things. I'd say de-volved, if anything. But not even that.. 'left like rabbits in the spot light' ?


Yeah, well as long as communities rely on "big ticket" projects to provide employment it's no surprise that tourism has broken down traditional Tasmanian opposition to "Greenie" type enterprises. Bit ironic wouldn't you say, given the "history" between Business & the Greens. But then, even Olegas Truchanas had to "sup with the Devil" occasionally?
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nungulba » Sat 25 Feb, 2017 4:22 pm

Lost wrote:Where does it all stop. Some places on this planet are hard to get to and to me that's the beauty of these places. Start building "eco friendly huts " and safe easy walking trails and you will gain a one certain demographics of society and lose another.

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Dear Lost, despite your "avatar" you are obviously someone who appreciates the difference between intrinsic & aesthetic beauty. So I was wondering if you would explain it to me?!
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Lost » Sun 26 Feb, 2017 4:39 pm

Nuts wrote:http://www.themercury.com.au/lifestyle/tasmanian-operators-come-out-on-top-again-at-the-australian-tourism-awards-in-darwin/news-story/2952b2da8b4737ba2d0fb1e9aa92a9ff

All developers. :(
And a government agency! :?




TASMANIA’S tourism operators have taken all before them at the Qantas Australian Tourism Awards in Darwin, winning five gold medals — equal most with New South Wales — along with a swag of silvers and bronzes.

This is the third year in a row Tasmanian operators have won the most medals of any state or territory at the event.

Tasmania is well and truly “on the map” when it comes to outstanding tourism, said Tourism Industry Council of Tasmania chief Luke Martin.
Cape Hauy on the Three Capes Track. Picture: RICHARD JUPE

Only a few years ago it was big news if Tassie won three medals, he said.

“Now there are expectations that we will clean up.

“It used to be that we were considered to be punching above our weight, now we are setting the weight — we are the tourism leaders in the country.”

The much-lauded Three Capes Track took out gold for the best new tourism development of 2016.

When completed, the four-day, three-night 46km walking track will take in the Tasman Peninsula with spectacular views to Cape Pillar and Cape Hauy and the tallest sea cliffs in the Southern Hemisphere.

The three award-winning huts on the track sleep up to 48 walkers in a series of separate buildings linked by decks or walkways, with bunk rooms, cooking areas, communal spaces and staff quarters.
ALL SMILES: Dan Hackett, centre, from RiverFly 1864, with Heath Garratt and Ros Young from Tasmanian Walking Company at the Australian Tourism Awards. Picture: ELISE DERWIN

Construction of the third stage between Cape Raoul and Shipstern Lookout started last month.

“This is the final endorsement on a pretty spectacular 12 months for the Three Capes,’’ Mr Martin said. The Parks and Wildlife operated track has attracted 16,500 walkers, almost three times the original projected number of 6000, since it opened before Christmas 2015.

“Everybody that does this walk is amazed ... by the landscape, the views, the quality of the track work and the style of the accommodation. It is unlike anything we’ve seen in Tasmania.”

The 13-year journey to see the $30 million Three Capes Track almost completed has attracted its share of knockers along the way, he said.

“They wanted to know why was Tasmania spending this much money on a bushwalking track.”

It is the biggest financial investment in an Australian national park for the past 25 years, since Uluru in the Northern Territory, he said.

“No other state has done what Tasmania has done and now we are enjoying the visitors. Three Capes has set a benchmark and we should aspire to that with all our national parks.”
RiverFly 1864 won gold in the specialist tourism services category. Picture: SUPPLIED

RiverFly 1864 has won its first ever national gold medal in the competitive specialist tourism services category.

Originally founded as a river-based guiding business in 2005, the family fly-fishing business, owned by Daniel and Simone Hackett, now offers Tasmania’s first Orvis and Patagonia dealer fly shop called FlyShop 1864 and accommodation with their RiverFly Wilderness Huts.

The Hacketts run Tasmania’s first licenced Western Lakes guided fly-fishing operation from remote huts in the Tasmanian World Heritage Area next to the Walls of Jerusalem National Park.

The gold medal win is a first for the Australian fly-fishing industry.

Saffire Freycinet won gold for Australia’s finest luxury accommodation.

Last year it was officially named the world’s best boutique luxury hotel, and now “has reclaimed the mantle” as Australia’s best luxury accommodation, said Mr Martin.

“Saffire is regarded as the best in the world,’’ he said.

“Congratulations to the Federal Group, general manager Justin King and the outstanding team at the remarkable Saffire Freycinet.”
The Old Woolstore Apartment Hotel.
Saffire Freycinet.

The Old Woolstore won gold in the business events category and has entered the Australian Tourism Hall of Fame by winning the category three years in a row. “Bigger does not always mean better in tourism and the Old Woolstore Apartment Hotel was judged ahead of some of the country’s largest convention centres,” Mr Martin said.

The Tasmanian Walking Company won the gold medal for ecotourism.

Operators of Cradle Mountain Huts Walk, Wineglass Bay Sail Walk and the Bay of Fires Lodge Walk, the TWC has won gold for the second year in the ecotourism category.

Its latest exclusive walk package on the Three Capes Track is expected to open in October and includes guided walks for groups of 14 staying overnight in two high-end huts.

Tasmanian operators have now won the ecotourism category for five consecutive years.


"All developers. :(
And a government agency! :?

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Mon 27 Feb, 2017 4:42 pm

Indeed. Though the inclusion of a public agency is a newer affront, it's understandable. In terms of organic growth based on conservation the marketers aren't necessary. Tasmanian wilderness sells itself, the disinterest shown in the past for tourism not reliant on infrastructure and additional (rather than minimal) impact, despite steady growth, is a fact.

Nungulba, we owe a lot to historical conservationists, over many thousands of years they have delivered what we have left.
Time for foresight though, rather than resting on laurels. I can't relate the enthusiasm to hack and build and profit to conservation, that we have some such enthusiasm within our park service is woeful, they should stand up (or find an more suitable career). Leave our parks alone!
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Fri 02 Feb, 2018 11:54 am

And the alternate policy can be found here:

Protecting Parks and Reserves_3.pdf
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I have no personal/historical political preference, I'd prefer reserve boundaries were also political boundaries.
This is simply the only set of directives that show any real care. So to me it's not a political post under the forum rules (?)
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby potato » Fri 02 Feb, 2018 12:46 pm

Nuts wrote: I'd prefer reserve boundaries were also political boundaries. This is simply the only set of directives that show any real care.


I like your idea.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby stepbystep » Thu 22 Feb, 2018 11:23 am

Read it and weep!

More deals for mates at the expense of the public. The Farrells are behind it, the Liberals are a disgusting bunch of arsehats.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby taswegian » Thu 22 Feb, 2018 2:21 pm

Here's a bit more news
http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/5244789/more-parks-and-wildlife-rangers-promised/?cs=87

No detail, but new Huts and tracks
The Government also announced it will invest $20 million to identify and construct a new multi-day, hut-based bush-walk but the location is yet to be decided.

Ms Archer said  feasibility studies into potential locations would start immediately, before a track survey and approval work on the successful site, with construction to start in 2020-21.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 5:56 am

'Immediately'? What immediately after the election? All our big tracks not enough? must hack?!
What a load of BS. And why not Bob's track (if any)? Why immediately 'private huts', on public land (got away with it elsewhere!)?

I'm all for development at park boundaries, as i understand some land around that VC was requisitioned (could be wrong)? This seems a good idea?
Thought I had seen plans (or maybe heard rumours) for a second storey bar and restaurant? Yes, all undoubtedly a little nepotistic/crook, that is assured!..

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby stepbystep » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 9:07 am

Hodgman actually said the word Tarkine yesterday, he nearly choked, but he did say it...in the same sentence as a new walking track and $20million....

However...I believe he's softening us up for a major SCT refurbishment for his mate Ian #for *&^%$# sake
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sun 11 Mar, 2018 4:21 pm

"West Coast Tourism Association was working on a submission for tourism funding to be directed towards a new multiple-day bushwalk that could rival the Overland Track. He said a “West Coast Track” would start at Cradle Mountain and go to Queenstown, taking walkers to the pinnacle of Mount Owen along the way"
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Richard W » Sat 07 Apr, 2018 12:36 pm

The Riverfly 1864 proposal to build a permanent luxury camp on Halls Island inside the Walls of Jerusalem National Park has reached the EPBC approval stage.

http://epbcnotices.environment.gov.au/invitations/ number 2018/8177.

Public comments close on 17 April.

Access to Halls Island will be via helicopter from Lake St Clair to a new helipad and track they want to build just south of Lake Malbena.

Stage II includes new tracks from there to Mt Oana and Mary's Tarn - there are currently not even footpads in these areas.

Pretty extraordinary that all this is taking place inside Walls of Jerusalem National Park and WHA.

Here's hoping the Federal Government will be able to take a fresh look at it now that it has reached the Federal approval stage.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby stepbystep » Sun 08 Apr, 2018 1:39 pm

Thanks for the timely reminder Richard W, I've spread the news of the upcoming deadline about, hopefully some media soon.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby stepbystep » Wed 11 Apr, 2018 2:15 pm

Just so it's on the record despite Hodgman denying it to the press today...

From page 25

"If walker numbers keep increasing, issues with hut overcrowding and increased site impacts may become more likely. PWS will monitor numbers and in the event that the carrying capacity of the track and its supporting infrastructure start to become exceeded, consideration may be given to introducing a seasonal booking system, in consultation with stakeholder groups, to regulate numbers and protect the experience and the environment. This approach would also provide for assured funding each year for track maintenance and a seasonal track ranger."

I was party to a conversation of the most senior PWS ppl nearly years ago that stated the 20 year plan is to have "5 Great Tasmanian Walks" all will have a booking system. They are Frenchmans, OLT, SCT, The Walls and 3 Capes. Expect commercial operations on all of these and many, many more fly-in-fly-out operations. There's a good reason they have dropped the word wilderness from their management plans...they've already sold it off.

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