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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Fri 16 Sep, 2016 5:51 am

None of it. Each Oks more. Nothing not done without a basis of minimising our impact. Eg Flight services prize is in landing,(anyone can fly over our parks) something they will continue to push for. Not good enough leaving these foundational changes to parkies either.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 12:38 pm

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I saw a reference to this on the parks fb page, y'know, where they post stuff to crowd source a back slap.

Dysfunctional to the protection of parks to have the portfolio linked to tourism. Tourism wants infrastructure, enhanced & softened experiences, development, ultimately $ (and c'mon, if it was just or mostly about providing recreational opportunity far more could have that opportunity without track fees and a need for limited hut space). $. The real 'ICON' is $..

I find it quite bizarre to have the department competing with private enterprise for tourism awards. That aside even, private business would have gone to dust with a business model over done, over budget and their major project incomplete.. yet 'awards', really?

Full steam ahead on the back of the acknowledgement of such outstanding environmental and economic management no doubt..?
Every effort to sell of wilderness by any means, under any guise?

Sorry, feels good to lift people up for good deeds, no doubt individuals in parks deserve it (as they always have done, even without particular reward) but re the future of wilderness.. is there some sort of 'big happy family' gag order in place here?
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby north-north-west » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 4:30 pm

In the current political climate, TasPAWS primary objective is no longer the protection and preservation of the environments within its reserves. It's all about tourism now. :x
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 11:50 am

It's now possible to imagine The Walls, Frenchmans, Cradle , Sth Coast equally homogenized?

The private sector is in place for their part. What's next? What is 'sustainable' growth?
All in the time-frame?, ten years between new realities and unimaginable outcomes enough?
Shazam! A networked 'wilderness' with precedents for degrading the remainder.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Fri 11 Nov, 2016 5:44 pm

Where were we? Oh, right, spending spare time checking back on what might otherwise slip under the radar..
There's something (factual as well as fundamental), more than one thing, Wrong in this press release.
From last years awards, somewhere to store for now (as i'm sure there will be a time when it clicks):

GALLERY: TASMANIAN TOURISM AWARDS WINNERS 2015

Virgin Blue co-founders Rob Sherrard and Brett Godfrey bought TWC in 2013 and have been building it up and adding new experiences.

They have three walks in the State Government’s ­expressions of interest process, all of which have proceeded to the lease and licence stage.

Tourism Industry Council of Tasmania chief executive Luke Martin said he was ­excited about the TWC’s new lodge walk in the Walls of ­Jerusalem, a second Overland Track lodge walk, a Cradle Base Camp experience and a Frenchman’s Cap permanent camp-based walk.

“Tasmanian Walking Company has been around for 30 years. It’s timely that they’re starting to get that recognition,” Mr Martin said.

“They’ve been the pioneers – they ran the first ever overnight camping ­experience with Cradle Mountain Huts and Bay of Fires.

“The company has major plans to expand with the EOIs and some of the other ventures they’ve established, such as the sail walk on the East Coast.

“They are the leading tourism business in that multi-day space and clearly they’re the biggest, so it’s good they’re being recognised for their environmental sustainability, which is ­obviously critical and central to their business model.

“Two or three of their EOIs could easily join their other products and become true icons of Tasmania tourism.”
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Lost » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 9:22 am

Nuts wrote:It's now possible to imagine The Walls, Frenchmans, Cradle , Sth Coast equally homogenized?

The private sector is in place for their part. What's next? What is 'sustainable' growth?
All in the time-frame?, ten years between new realities and unimaginable outcomes enough?
Shazam! A networked 'wilderness' with precedents for degrading the remainder.


I believe riverfly has applied for huts in the Walls with helicopter fishing experience through out the area.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby north-north-west » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 2:57 pm

Lost wrote:... huts in the Walls with helicopter ....

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Scottyk » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 9:17 pm

Lost wrote:
Nuts wrote:It's now possible to imagine The Walls, Frenchmans, Cradle , Sth Coast equally homogenized?

The private sector is in place for their part. What's next? What is 'sustainable' growth?
All in the time-frame?, ten years between new realities and unimaginable outcomes enough?
Shazam! A networked 'wilderness' with precedents for degrading the remainder.


I believe riverfly has applied for huts in the Walls with helicopter fishing experience through out the area.

A hut in the Walls with choppers coming and going would be a real shame
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Thu 24 Nov, 2016 1:52 pm

Indeed it would.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby scrub boy » Thu 24 Nov, 2016 8:41 pm

if true but the proposal is actually for a standing camp on Halls Island
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby GTL » Fri 25 Nov, 2016 8:32 am

scrub boy wrote:if true but the proposal is actually for a standing camp on Halls Island


Nice to see someone on here bothers to get their facts right instead of running around peddling misinformation. :D
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby tastrax » Fri 25 Nov, 2016 8:45 am

Hard to get a lot of facts on these projects. Here is the 'project brief' for the Halls Island project.

http://cg.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_ ... ackett.pdf
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Fri 25 Nov, 2016 9:16 am

Yeah, standing camp. I didn't question the detail as, to me, it's just a minor one.
Not that I, as a concerned citizen, know nearly enough about the deals being made.

A standing camp erected year round, not a collection of huts/ village/ resort.
Something like this?:

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Meanwhile, the other proposal up there is for a 'lodge'..
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Wed 14 Dec, 2016 1:52 pm

Surprise suprise, It's THE tasmanian walking company:

http://www.themercury.com.au/lifestyle/ ... 5aa341586a

Friends in high places?

(sorry, subscription only, executive summary= TWC now owns little bits of Tasman NP)
(what is it with The Mercury restricting such articles of public interest?)


Anyhow, press on:
http://www.afr.com/lifestyle/tassie-tou ... 125-gsxrdz

http://www.news.com.au/national/tasmani ... 4157d936c1

"State Growth Minister Matt Groom said the success of the Three Capes Track validated the Government’s policy of unlocking national parks and reserves to sensitive and appropriate tourism developments"

What? What does, is the figure quoted a 'profit'? Rather meaningless otherwise? Doesn't sound 'massive' but what would we expect raiding the cookie jar like you, and your ilk, are doing? So where is it going then, within parks, that 5% of this, this 'massive' return? More development?

'unlocking national parks and reserves to sensitive and appropriate tourism developments' .. stuck on this catchphrase, think i'm with the animals and plants on this one. Oh, right, necessary to grow support.. for parks.. against the otherwise 'insensitive' and 'inappropriate' development that was set to occur?
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Wed 14 Dec, 2016 3:22 pm

This one has potential, ticks some more 'appropriate' boxes? Is it though, is it linked to a need or deal for increased park access to less appropriate, more sensitive areas?, Seems ok for former ministers to cut their RBF deals, former directors, he's not the first but is it ok for a sitting board member of Tourism Tas to be involved with this sort of thing? :

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/n ... walk/news-

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Thu 15 Dec, 2016 3:46 pm

hmmm, can't find an account of that Tahune proposal that I can safely copy. If anyone finds a suitable source I think it's safe to say these things are well within the realm of public interest and of which they have a right to know, from the first instance, in a spirit of reaching the widest possible audience.


"State Growth Minister Matt Groom said the success of the Three Capes Track validated the Government’s policy of unlocking national parks and reserves to ... tourism developments"
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sat 24 Dec, 2016 8:56 am

Oh, Well...
New owner has wilderness lodge plans for Tahune AirWalk
JENNIFER CRAWLEY, Sunday Tasmanian
December 11, 2016 12:00am
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THE new owner of Tahune AirWalk says he plans to build a wilderness lodge on the former forestry site in southern Tasmania.

Ken Stronach will officially take ownership of the AirWalk from Forestry Tasmania on Friday.

Mr Stronach has 35 years experience in the tourism industry and is on the board of Destination Southern Tasmania. (correction)

He has managed the Tahune AirWalk for three years and has a long history of developing and operating hotels in Tasmania and interstate.

I would like to see accommodation there ... a high-end wilderness lodge,” Mr Stronach said.

“It’s a large area of land and is already zoned – it’s state forest not national parks or World Heritage.”

Mr Stronach said he would start a feasibility study on the project next year.

He said private enterprise had the potential to revitalise the far south.

“I’m hoping it’s good for the Huon Valley as a destination.”

Since it opened on July 1, 2001, 1.4 million people have visited the walkway, enjoying views over the Huon and Picton rivers, near Geeveston.

It was once the 10th most-visited tourism attraction in the state, with about 150,000 visitors a year.

But visitor numbers have dropped significantly, with Forestry Tasmania figures showing about 74,000 people have visited each year in recent times.

Resources Minister Guy Barnett said Forestry Tasmania sold the business to a private operator because its core business was “growing trees, managing land and selling wood”.

“This is an exciting time for the must-see attraction and the local tourism industry as we will soon have a dedicated and focused new operator with plans to restore the number of visitors to levels not seen for well over a decade,” Mr Barnett said.

Forestry Tasmania is selling the business and leasing the facilities, but will keep ownership of the fixed assets and land.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby north-north-west » Sat 24 Dec, 2016 6:37 pm

Resources Minister Guy Barnett said Forestry Tasmania sold the business to a private operator because its core business was “clearing forests, mismanaging land and killing wildlife”.

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby geoskid » Sat 24 Dec, 2016 6:53 pm

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Resources Minister Guy Barnett said Forestry Tasmania sold the business to a private operator because its core business was “clearing forests, mismanaging land and killing wildlife”.

Fixed.

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sun 25 Dec, 2016 11:06 am

I agree. Though to quote them, I'd dearly like to first see some critical analysis of the use of terms 'appropriate', 'sensitive' and 'sustainable' for instance.

Even if just to show evidence they divert via brain from ear to mouth.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby north-north-west » Sun 25 Dec, 2016 7:02 pm

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north-north-west wrote:
Resources Minister Guy Barnett said Forestry Tasmania sold the business to a private operator because its core business was “clearing forests, mismanaging land and killing wildlife”.

Fixed.

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NO. Don't blame people who can't stand doublespeak and *&^%$#! for that travesty.

I've lived on this island for long enough to know how things operate here. I've been through the HEC's reign, I've seen what FT and the mining sector have done and continue to do. It's not ideology and it's not a misquote. It's a clearer and more honest statement of the real situation.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sun 25 Dec, 2016 8:23 pm

The outcome hardly their agenda. Let's stick to scotty's op?, rather than start ft wars round 3.. even then, unless, of course, we are prepared to discuss tourism's instrument in the same sweeping light (Tas Parks & Wildlife service). Folks here are.. / were.. timid enough.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sat 31 Dec, 2016 5:24 pm

A lot of ill-crafted quaff to me, disassociated from wilderness, pretenders, silver spoons or perhaps with good intentions and just ill-informed, or disingenuous.. it makes little difference.

At the very least, perhaps someone with a line to these green 'gods' can point out this Lie:

"It started back in 1987 with Cradle Mountain Huts, the first overnight commercial trekking operation in an Australian national park"

The first commercial overnight trekking operations in Australia started more than half a century before this. Twenty years earlier, at least three modern nature-based tourism companies started operation offering overnight 'trekking' tours in the modern context. The first on the Overland Track (from whom political leeches started to see $ signs and simply took customers) was Eric Sargent with his Craclair Tours.

Minimal impact origins!, public facilitation without any need for exclusivity, an inconvenient truth?

Read more: http://www.afr.com/brand/afr-magazine/h ... z4UOgfglkW
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby geoskid » Sun 01 Jan, 2017 7:03 pm

north-north-west wrote:NO. Don't blame people who can't stand doublespeak and *&^%$#! for that travesty.

I've lived on this island for long enough to know how things operate here. I've been through the HEC's reign, I've seen what FT and the mining sector have done and continue to do. It's not ideology and it's not a misquote. It's a clearer and more honest statement of the real situation.


I know that NNW! (the basics of your history here in these things) . Still, It's not right to change someone's words.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby geoskid » Sun 01 Jan, 2017 7:12 pm

Nuts wrote:The outcome hardly their agenda. Let's stick to scotty's op?, rather than start ft wars round 3.. even then, unless, of course, we are prepared to discuss tourism's instrument in the same sweeping light (Tas Parks & Wildlife service). Folks here are.. / were.. timid enough.


It would help if the title of the thread is changed.
Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness is not for sale!
This latest move by FT to divest operations of Tahune to a private operator who wants to build upmarket accommodation is a good move to me.
I would prefer if people laid out their specific qualms about such a move - so we can all see. Perhaps then there would be opportunity to think about different perspectives.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby geoskid » Sun 01 Jan, 2017 7:41 pm

Nuts wrote:A lot of ill-crafted quaff to me, disassociated from wilderness, pretenders, silver spoons or perhaps with good intentions and just ill-informed, or disingenuous.. it makes little difference.

At the very least, perhaps someone with a line to these green 'gods' can point out this Lie:

"It started back in 1987 with Cradle Mountain Huts, the first overnight commercial trekking operation in an Australian national park"

The first commercial overnight trekking operations in Australia started more than half a century before this. Twenty years earlier, at least three modern nature-based tourism companies started operation offering overnight 'trekking' tours in the modern context. The first on the Overland Track (from whom political leeches started to see $ signs and simply took customers) was Eric Sargent with his Craclair Tours.

Minimal impact origins!, public facilitation without any need for exclusivity, an inconvenient truth?

Read more: http://www.afr.com/brand/afr-magazine/h ... z4UOgfglkW


So where is your line drawn in the sand Nuts. Presumably Eric Charged $ for taking people thru. Is that where It started?
Isn't it a natural progression from there?
I'd guess most independent walkers on the OLT would have no idea where the privately owned huts are.
Even in the Walls, if the huts are hidden, and are organised such that their operations are minimal impact - what's the problem?
Perhaps for another thread, but I think some people are confused about what National Parks, World Heritage Areas are for. It would need to be for another thread because there is too much to go into, regardless of whether people want to go there ( philosophically) or not.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby GTL » Sun 01 Jan, 2017 7:50 pm

Very well said Geoskid, I couldn't agree more
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sun 01 Jan, 2017 9:20 pm

Yawn.
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Postby GTL » Sun 01 Jan, 2017 9:30 pm

Big New Year's? Maybe you should head to bed Nut if you've got the yawns...
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sun 01 Jan, 2017 9:46 pm

Sorry, Geo-s, he's right. Meanwhile, maybe you can express what 'line' you set (and why) (if any)?
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