For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Mon 26 Nov, 2018 12:34 pm

Look what we've become.. what a 'lodge' actually ends up looking like, and at the support these visionaries get :( :


https://www.facebook.com/Tasmania/video ... 284170692/

Is this a properly disclosed image for what we expect passes as a 'lodge'... never mind 'eco-lodge', destined for our WWHA?

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Mon 26 Nov, 2018 1:24 pm

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby johnrs » Tue 27 Nov, 2018 4:08 pm

Fancy lodge
But I hear the Walking Company is not much liked by its guides at present.
I wonder why that may be??
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 4:06 pm

Indeed.

So.. related to earlier in this thread; I caught Bob's spiel for Tarkine Track funding on The Drum. I can't imagine, even in the murky world of politics, the application is anything but a gamble.

Once again..

You can hardly protest that jobs aren't created locally by eg.mining and expect use local employment as a selling point for tourism? When the track money doesn't flow there what was Bob quoted as saying in support of such employment, anywhere?? Funding is won?, the 'win' subjecting that wilderness to the same assault we see happening elsewhere??

And The Greens support what now?, a Tarkine track in principle or (as is inferred) this funding 'to build 'a new hut-based walking track' ?

Hopefully the proper pollies are too busy squabbling to notice..

35.25: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-27/ ... 7/10560186
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby weetbix456 » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 8:57 pm

TWC has a lot to answer for in my opinion. The epitome of a squeeze mentality for greeds sake. There is nothing "eco-friendly" about that (or their other current future proposals!!) - no one actually truly walks away with an appreciated outdoor immersion experience. Maybe I was off with the fairies somewhere whilst it was all being advertised - but I was amazed by how easy their additional huts flew under the radar, after such criticism was originally felt during the construction of the three government ones. What happens when a precedent gets set I guess..
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Thu 29 Nov, 2018 11:05 am

Yeah, a lot of the opposition I recall was to the introduction of the new level of fee's, for the public huts. And now a large part of the support is equally self-focussed, 'that's my idea of wilderness camping'.

Nothing would really be good enough for me, I see a bunch of shacks with at footprint at least twice that size at each site. And I see their growth at a cost to places to public walkers as is also evident elsewhere. I can't help but see unnecessary impact on all levels.

Financially. The daily return/royalty to the public and the payment to staff would be no different by simply adding a few group platforms, available for booking for groups in competition with or when a commercial operator wasn't there (a cluster of mid-week dates at worst, as occurs on the Overland Track).

If anything more at all? (though i'd still like to see the opportunity for public camping in my park developments, even to allow a different level of cost for the inclusion of families). These are public reserves, recreation zones were presented to the public in management plans, not (dodgy) 'economic' zones.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Tue 18 Dec, 2018 10:18 am

It's good to see the questions brought up through this. The realities for regional areas transitioning to tourism and how tourism growth desperately needs some form of master plan (taken seriously):

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-17/ ... m/10620968
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby gatesy » Tue 18 Dec, 2018 4:43 pm

johnrs wrote:But I hear the Walking Company is not much liked by its guides at present.
I wonder why that may be??
John

I second that

I hear that they're desperate for guides on their new 3 capes project as some guides haven't enjoyed it/aren't interested and they're looking beyond people who have have done the guiding courses. I've bumped into a few who said they didn't like it and didn't want anything to do with it.

While we're at it...
I was a student in the guiding/outdoor rec course in Hobart where they train guides and get them work as you probably know. This course is very close to those companies like the TWC and Maira with Mr Johnstone. They support the expansion of 'eco tourism' (or whatever you call it) to a high extent, for their benefit... Need I say anymore? I think you get the picture.

I did not enjoy the course and do not recommend it.

Note I'm not talking down guides, just the course. There are some great people out there who are guides!

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby bogholesbuckethats » Wed 19 Dec, 2018 7:20 am

That looks like a pad.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sat 29 Dec, 2018 12:54 pm

“total comfort in the last place you would expect it”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... rfVEOLO97g
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Tommydoodle » Sat 29 Dec, 2018 3:21 pm

I'm in two minds about the arguments presented here. In so many ways I agree that the wilderness should have minimal development, however, I would also remind everyone that tourism to Tasmania has risen from 100 000 people a year five years ago to over 1.2 million a year now (see link below), which generates over $2 billion a year in revenue, and that is expected to double again over the next 5 years. Given the relative 'undiscovered' status of the Tasmanian wilderness, it's inevitable that a reasonable percentage of these visitors will be the overseas "instagram style" of adventurer: seeking new "first of its kind" experiences that they can post about on social media for kudos, and that means they are going to go off-piste. That is, they will very much have the intention of seeking out pristine areas that no-one has experienced before, and will be more than willing to violate any state or federal laws or environmental considerations to get there. So we're going to see a rise in damage to wilderness areas, track crowding, a demand for high quality remote area accommodation and most certainly a rise in remote area rescues.

A decent analogy to this issue would be the French Alps, which in 1970 saw relatively few rescues, and was a region frequented only by experienced climbers who were (again, relatively) few in number. Nowadays, those same alps are absolutely overrun by walkers and tourists, and climbing Mt Blanc is marketed as an 'experience'. I myself walked the Tour du Mont Blanc two years ago in peak season, and encountered well over 1000 fellow walkers on the track over a 8 day period (yes, I was so stunned by the number of people I started counting).

I guess what I am trying to say is that given the money involved, considerations of environmental protection are going to be secondary to the potential for profit the region offers, whether we walkers think that is the right thing or not. It is inevitable the Tasmanian wilderness is going to undergo phenomenal development over the next 50 years.

As such, I'm moving away from the idea that halting wilderness development is a possibility: I don't think when you talk about billions of potential dollars involved that even the collective voice of all Tasmanian bushwalkers will even rate more than an inconvenient whisper of protest. Rather, I'm in favour of controlled development with consultation. That is, a systematic plan to avoid destruction of wilderness ecosystems by consulting with qualified parties (such as bushwalkers) about where and how this inevitable development should occur, and how it can be done with minimal impact to the environment. I'd rather take that path than bang my head against a brick wall trying to tell people that the ecosystems of the areas involved are too fragile for development - everyone knows that already - and if they ignore that fact now, you can be guaranteed they'll ignore it in the future.

Maybe the best chance we have is to develop a stronger political voice (I mean, for God's sake, the hunters and shooters got someone into parliament!) that is concerned only with the environment of Tasmania and has no other agendas.

Anyway, that's my thoughts.

FYI, these are the huts that Daniel Hackett (the fly guide) put up at the Western Lakes for his clients (scroll down the website). Not exactly the huge development people are claiming them to be.

https://riverfly.com.au/#2


https://www.tourismtasmania.com.au/news ... or-numbers
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Sat 29 Dec, 2018 4:49 pm

Interesting point Tommy and I know what you mean, however if the wilderness is developed to accommodate the admiring tourists that flock here to see it, then it no longer becomes wilderness!!!

Let the wilderness STAY wild and feel free to develop in areas OUTSIDE the WHA and national parks!!
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Tommydoodle » Sat 29 Dec, 2018 5:56 pm

I am completely with your sentiments, ILUVSWTAS, however, I think the present and future governments are far too easily swayed by the promise of big development dollars than by ethical and environmental concerns. Which is stunning shame, and I often feel that I, at 60, will have probably lived and died in a time when the last great wilderness areas of the world were lost forever and changed from being areas of stunning and unique biodiversity to a 3 day holiday experience ($1399, transfers not included).

Personally, I think the government should have marketed Tasmania to botanists and biologists: some kind of science tourism. They're far more ethical when it comes to ecosystems, and the big drawcard for Tasmania is that fewer than 30% of its invertebrates have been described and 20% of its fungi: what a treasure trove for scientists.

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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sun 30 Dec, 2018 10:17 am

Vote 1 Tommy Doodle :)
An independent or party that could focus just on environmental issues would get my vote (not that some other issues aren't important but much 'green' policy is even more unpopular than saving wilderness).

They could simply start with asking for a 'plan'. A plan, in turn, could begin with analysis of the costs and benefits. Even there I doubt much sense could be made of exclusive/private/luxury development being a good or even viable future economic direction, whatever can be made of it in the short term. Without defining the value of wilderness, even as a concept to be preserved, we can only be led to assume the return is positive.

I'm not sure how a marketing approach could discern science types/ or at least those demonstrating some level of care and knowledge etc. from ticklisters but yes, enough of them to support this minor role in economy and a respectful, sensible direction.

Certainly, if it is to be 'bulk', 'ticklisters', and to each their own, firm boundaries are important & need to be upheld.
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Re: For Sale - Pristine Tasmanian Wilderness

Postby Nuts » Sun 30 Dec, 2018 10:32 am

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