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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby north-north-west » Fri 26 Jul, 2019 4:28 pm

Including going over Sedgwick Bluff, and a proposed sidetrack to Sorell. So rarely visited and relatively untouched wilderness can be sanitised and commercialised and, from the sound of it, closed to non-paying independent walkers.
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On top of which, the map shows the proposed Sorell sidetrack to go from Darwin via Slate Spur. If the scrub there is as bad as the stories suggest, construction will be hideously expensive and maintenance will need to be almost constant.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby north-north-west » Fri 26 Jul, 2019 4:33 pm

A range of accommodation could be provided from tent platforms with cooking shelters and public huts to premium, fully catered, privately operated lodges with bedding, food and wine, along with premium guiding and porter services.


Above Huntley? Down between Martha and Mary? There is no way of making (Two Out of) Three Capes gluts inconspicuous in those places.

Would independent non-paying walkers still be allowed on the Tyndall plateau? We managed to shame them into keeping our access to Cape Pillar, but this area isn't anywhere near as frequently visited or well known.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby tastrax » Fri 26 Jul, 2019 4:50 pm

They have Buckley's of doing all that is proposed in that submission for $20 million - I will bet its only the Tyndall's stage (chapter 4) where commercial interests can keep it to themselves. There is some 'interesting' country in there for track building!
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby tastrax » Fri 26 Jul, 2019 5:00 pm

Tyndalls Chapter 4 - Rough location file

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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby stepbystep » Fri 26 Jul, 2019 5:14 pm

I have long been an advocate for revitalising Queenstown and the lake Margaret Village with a walking track up to Mount Sedgwick but as tastrax says it is highly unlikely they will focus on that area they will go for gold and destroy the most sensitive area. I am so *&%$#! appalled by this government.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby lefroy » Fri 26 Jul, 2019 5:42 pm

Another paradise lost to our out of touch government who think the only way to enjoy walking is if you can do it in thongs and have a roof over your head. I'm all for promoting and protecting this place but not making it wheelchair accessible like 3 capes
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby L_Cham_67 » Fri 26 Jul, 2019 9:57 pm

So does that proposal head south from Queenstown via Mt Owen and the King River, or north towards the Tyndalls? Or is it both? Either I didn't read it very well, or the article isn't super clear. The link tastrax sent seems to indicate both, but that also includes a new track through Mt Jukes and Sorell.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby tastrax » Fri 26 Jul, 2019 10:20 pm

L_Cham_67 wrote:So does that proposal head south from Queenstown via Mt Owen and the King River, or north towards the Tyndalls? Or is it both? Either I didn't read it very well, or the article isn't super clear. The link tastrax sent seems to indicate both, but that also includes a new track through Mt Jukes and Sorell.


I suspect 'The Philosophers Tale' document was a vision which covered many areas and maybe appeased some existing interests - the actual track that gets developed, I suspect, will be the Tyndall Range area as its the most spectacular.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby tastrax » Fri 26 Jul, 2019 10:29 pm

My second guess would be Owen (Chapter 1). As for Jukes and Lyell, I cant see them ever getting off the ground
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby taswegian » Sat 27 Jul, 2019 8:57 am

Mr Gutwein was full of praise and mentioned a lodge too! :shock:
Like NNW I'm suspecting their idea is closed to the average Jo Blow wanting to enjoy some solitude and Tasmania grandeur.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby north-north-west » Sat 27 Jul, 2019 10:20 am

taswegian wrote:Mr Gutwein was full of praise and mentioned a lodge too! :shock:
Like NNW I'm suspecting their idea is closed to the average Jo Blow wanting to enjoy some solitude and Tasmania grandeur.


If you read the proposal in full, the target market is all about cashed-up bogans who want views with luxury and without effort. There is not even a mention of the concept of your bog-standard independent, non-paying, plonk a tent where it's convenient walker.
Seems strange to suggest a walking track taking off from the Spicer 4wd track at the Newton Peak saddle and going over Tyndall, then dropping down to Martha and Mary. Would the 4wd track be closed to vehicles or would they upgrade it that far in and put a 2wd accessible carpark near the saddle? There's no way to prevent access to Tyndall plateau via the existing walking track, or via Geikie and Hamilton Moraine, so there goes the exclusivity. And why not use the existing 4wd track from Hamilton Moraine down to Lake Margaret township rather than trying to hack a track through the thick scrub and forest on the far side of Geikie?
I doubt the people pushing the Tyndall section know what the area is really like, apart from the flat easy walking on the plateau and the views over Lake Huntley.

Supposedly they're starting by extending the "boardwalk" all the way to and over Horsetail Falls, and then up Owen. That's not too bad an idea. Repurposing Lake Margaret township as an accommodation hub for walkers and providing a good track from there is not a bad idea. As SBS said, from there up over Sedgwick Bluff and out to Sedgwick would be great even though part of me does wince at that area being opened up. But wouldn't it be easier (and one hell of a lot cheaper) to then connect Sedgwick with the Lake Spicer 4wd track rather than constructing a dryfoot walking track the length of the Tyndalls?
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby stepbystep » Sat 27 Jul, 2019 11:45 am

The fact we are guessing shows how much respect they have for the bushwalking community. That completely pointless non-announcement cost the taxpayer a small fortune.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby tastrax » Sat 27 Jul, 2019 1:49 pm

I had some time so I have created a (very rough) KML for all the walks in the Philosopher Tale proposal

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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby Nuts » Sun 28 Jul, 2019 12:51 pm

Must admit I too had thoughts Lk Margaret has tourism potential, there's some really nice rainforest around the lake for a low level circuit, interesting parallels to Dove Lake with climbs around.

But then i'd defer to people who already visit these areas, traditional users / equal share owners... who don't appear to ever be asked other than for a version of development. More than a couple of commercial groups per year on Tyndall plateau (an opportunity that already exists) would require infrastructure and then away it goes, in come the parasites with their 'exclusivity' (a word that should have never made it's way into wilderness vocabulary)
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby bogholesbuckethats » Tue 30 Jul, 2019 1:38 pm

Debate over the best route for next iconic walk has started
Tasmania’s next iconic walk is still a concept but debate over its final route has already begun.


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THE blades on the helicopter which took Premier Will Hodgman into the west coast wilderness on Friday had barely stopped spinning before debate began over the best route for a new walking track forecast to being 20,000 ecotourists into the region each year.

The Bob Brown Foundation has put up an alernate route for Tasmanias next iconic walk — one it says is both environmentally and scenically superior.

On Friday, Environment Minister Peter Gutwein announced the Tyndall Ranges, near Queenstown, had been selected from 35 destinations as the site of the next eco-tourism development to rival the Overland and Three Capes tracks.

Dr Brown says the foundation’s alternate route, which skirts the Tyndall Plateau to the east, will protect what he says is one of the most fragile alpine areas in the world, and provide a more robust experience with more scope to build walker’s huts.

The Wilderness Society’s Tom Allen agrees saying the alternative put forward was superior and be better accpeted by walkers.

“Whether its tourism, wood products or farmed fish, people increasingly want to know whether the fundamentals of products are ethical, sustainable and positive so any new walks need to stack up environmentally or risk being perceived as fake eco tourism,” Mr Allen said.

The former Greens leader also wants the new wilderness experience to be more inclusive than its predecessors.

“We urge the government to finetune this proposal and to spend the $20 million for a publicly-made and available Tyndalls Track rather than another top-end product out of the reach of punters,” Dr Brown said.

The concept, put forward by Destination West Coast, is only a concept at this stage.

Parks and Wildlife will conduct a feasibility study before deciding the walk’s final route, where huts might be located and how the area can best be both protected and enjoyed.

Anthony Brown from Destination West Coast says feedback was most welcome and he too thought the route could do with some tweaking.

“I flew over the area for the first time yesterday and thought there could be some changes based on what I saw from the air,” Mr Brown said.

“Nothing is in concrete at this stage and we are just happy the west coast has been chosen as the site of the next iconic walk. We also want I now describe as a magical place protected and controlled.

“Parks and Wildlife will now develop a walk that is best for walkers, the experience and the environment.”

Dr Brown says the Tyndall Ranges area is not only one of the most fragile alpine regions in the world it was also highly exposed in the coldest wet part of Australia and scenically marred by developments on all sides.

“The Foundation route improves the experience for walkers by taking them beneath the Tyndall plateau and through beautiful lake country while protected, by the magnificent ranges form the prevailing west and north-westerly rain and snow-bearing winds,” he said.

“Lake Huntley, the area the Premier’s helicopter landed in, is more scenic than standing atop the 300m cliff looking down. This is much the same as waterfalls being viewed better from the bottom than the top.”

Wilderness photographer Rob Blakers told Dr Brown the original concept would lead walkers through an area “essentially unvisited for six months of the year.”

“The Tyndalls are immediately adjacent to Mt Read, the location that we are all familiar with from weather reports as consistently receiving statewide maximum rainfall totals which are typically ten-fold any other location,” Mr Blakers said in a letter to the foundation.

“The proposed access by the northern ridge looks straightforward on the map but is anything but.

“Rock fissures and boulder fields line the ridge. The climb itself is about twice the height of the climb to Marion’s Lookout from Dove Lake. It is a serious and exposed climb, even in good weather.”
That looks like a pad.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby pazzar » Tue 30 Jul, 2019 2:19 pm

Here is the link to the Bob Brown Foundation media release - https://www.bobbrown.org.au/mr_300719
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby north-north-west » Tue 30 Jul, 2019 2:30 pm

It would certainly be more accessible and doable for people and at least keeps the hordes off the plateau. But using the Lake Spicer 4wd track and then cutting west over Walford to join that line gives a taste of the higher ground with possibly less impact and less new track needed.
Is it really that much bigger a climb than Ronny to Marions? Going up Tyndall via the current track never felt that long or hard.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby pazzar » Tue 30 Jul, 2019 2:55 pm

north-north-west wrote:It would certainly be more accessible and doable for people and at least keeps the hordes off the plateau. But using the Lake Spicer 4wd track and then cutting west over Walford to join that line gives a taste of the higher ground with possibly less impact and less new track needed.
Is it really that much bigger a climb than Ronny to Marions? Going up Tyndall via the current track never felt that long or hard.


My alternative would look something like this - using some of the existing road, but careful not to stay on it too long. A track along the edge of Lake Rolleston could be a way to do this, and avoid the climb from Lake Huntley to the ridge.

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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby north-north-west » Tue 30 Jul, 2019 4:03 pm

Yes, I like that option. Makes much more sense.
Although I'd also avoid the eastern side of Geikie and go via Sedgwick, Lake Adam and Sedgwick Bluff, with a sidetrip in to Huntley.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby pazzar » Tue 30 Jul, 2019 4:07 pm

I agree, I was just using this as an alternative to the alternative. I think they have their plans set on a hut at Mary/Martha.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby north-north-west » Tue 30 Jul, 2019 4:21 pm

Mary/Martha is only a short sidetrip from the line out to Sedgwick, maybe 1.5 km. There are good pads through there and even a few remains of very old cut lines.

Whole area has a lot of potential that keeps people off the most sensitive and exposed ground.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby tastrax » Tue 30 Jul, 2019 5:49 pm

Anthony Brown from Destination West Coast says feedback was most welcome and he too thought the route could do with some tweaking.

“I flew over the area for the first time yesterday and thought there could be some changes based on what I saw from the air,” Mr Brown said.


Feel free to send them all these suggestions - the more the merrier for them to understand that its not just drawing lines on maps. Maybe they needed to do a bit of on ground research rather than just a flight on the day of the announcement.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby NickMonk » Tue 30 Jul, 2019 10:05 pm

Hey all,

It was me that developed the alternative route and fly-over in the Bob Brown Foundation media release. While it was done with some haste to 'strike while the iron is hot', it was done with a reasonable amount of thought, albeit just my own thought. I have no boots-on-ground walking east of the plateau myself, but had some reference photos, plus all the mapping resources we are lucky to have these days.

A lot of it has already been said, but my main motivation for taking the route up the ridge and then down to Huntley was to make sure that the alternative was as spectacular as possible, so that it will actually be seriously considered. Ultimately the horror of the thought of the plateau being completely buggered in a short time spurred me in to action.

I like the alternate ideas you guys have talked about so far, and they also make sense from a pure bushwalking perspective. In the end, so long as the route isn't on the plateau, I don't personally care (within reason) where they put the route. Unfortunately it appears this walk is inevitable. Keep the ideas coming!
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby north-north-west » Wed 31 Jul, 2019 9:00 am

"Spectacular" is why I like the idea of Walford/Sedgwick. Walford itself, while small, has stunning views over Huntley, Dora, Tyndall plateau, towards the Eldons and the Sticht Range. There's a lot of open rock slab from there to Mary and past Peter and Paul up to Sedgwick, so there's less potential for damage while also giving easy enough walking. And from Sedgwick down past Adam and up to Sedgwick Bluff has equally marvellous views, particularly over Lyell.
When it's clear enough to see anything, that is. It's still not exactly an area conducive to blue skies.

Will dig out some photos to give an idea later.
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Postby stepbystep » Wed 31 Jul, 2019 9:14 am

north-north-west wrote:"Spectacular" is why I like the idea of Walford/Sedgwick. Walford itself, while small, has stunning views over Huntley, Dora, Tyndalll plateau, towards the Eldons and the Sticht Range. There's a lot of open rock slab from there to Mary and past Peter and Paul up to Sedgwick, so there's less potential for damage while also giving easy enough walking. And from Sedgwick down past Adam and up too Sedgwick Bluff has equally marvellous views, particularly over Lyell.
When it's clear enough to see anything, that is. It's still not exactly an area conducive to blue skies.

Will dig out some photos to give an idea later.


It would be well worth walkers that know the area as well as you do putting together an alternate route with solid reasoning that could then be presented to council as Phil says, co-signed by as many actual bushwalkers and bushwalking clubs as possible. I'd be keen to head up with a GPS to walk it taking detailed notes. Unlike the TICT and government the West Coast Council's language around alternatives seems more open minded.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby north-north-west » Wed 31 Jul, 2019 9:54 am

I wouldn't say I know the area well, just had a few trips in there in varying conditions, and a number of thinking sessions about it. It's always struck me as an area with a lot of potential for exploration but which gets relatively few visitors.

Pazzar's proposed route from Walford to Mary crosses Bill Wilkinson's Sedgwick route. And you've done Margaret to Sedgwick Bluff to Sedgwick so you know what that bit is like.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby north-north-west » Wed 31 Jul, 2019 12:01 pm

Starting with the views from Walford:

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North over Rolleston and Plimsoll to Murchison


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Zooming in on Huntley and its outlet creek


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Sedgwick and the intervening terrain


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Eldon Peak and Dora


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Chin, Geikie and the southern Tyndall plateau


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DuCane Range


This next shows a mix of easy and harder ground, both for walking and track construction, but even the harder bits will be less trouble than trying to cut around the base of Geikie, or going up Tyndall from the Newton saddle.

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Sedgwick and Sedgwick Bluff
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby north-north-west » Wed 31 Jul, 2019 12:26 pm

Peter, Paul and the ground below Sedgwick. This is so much less vulnerable than the plateau.
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Postby north-north-west » Wed 31 Jul, 2019 12:34 pm

And the ground on the other side of Sedgwick:
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby Nuts » Mon 05 Aug, 2019 9:15 am

I think any alternative is reasonable. Far more reasonable than i'd be prepared to concede. A day/ side walk from a low level campsite would see far fewer actually trampling around up there. And 'emergencies'; for many guided walkers subjecting them to a mandatory high level pack carrying route couldn't be best practice for new tracks, with what we have learnt elsewhere in terms of safety (aside from the environs, track building, maintenance etc.) And won't even be enjoyable more often than not.

Anyhow, all quite reasonable, then I see these tweits:

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(Tyndall range is under an exploration licence, as I understand this will expire in 2021)
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