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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby ribuck » Tue 25 Jun, 2019 2:44 am

vagrom wrote:Could be anywhere amongst this lot. The whole area's quite gorgeous.

You're right about the general area, vagrom. The photos are within the map you posted.

vagrom wrote:Near but far suggests proximity to Larapinta?

The previous photo was taken from a ridge that's 14km from the Larapinta. When I said "So near but yet so far", I meant that the upper reach of the gorge is near the camera, but no-one has managed to get to it yet.

eggs wrote:Portals Canyon, Chewing Range?

Oh you're good, eggs, very good. But not quite good enough yet.

Portals Canyon is in many ways similar to this canyon, and it only took us one day to walk from one to the other. And yes, it's in the Chewings Range.

Here are some more clues.
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The canyon comprises four reaches with separate access. From the campsite, you can walk upstream (past some attractive pools) and clamber along the Main Reach, but you soon arrive at a rockpile which cannot be passed without a rope. To get to Meg's Reach you start by climbing up the ridge on the left of the canyon, roughly following the yellow line in the photo. To get to Alexa's Reach, you must climb further up this ridge and locate Ribuck Ramp. And I presume the Upper Reach will one day be accessed from above.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby eggs » Tue 25 Jun, 2019 11:08 am

It would help if I had a map of the area, but in its absence, I can only suggest Red Gorge past Ellery Creek.
Curiously, your last description seems to fit Chapmans report of exploring above Portals Canyon??
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby vagrom » Tue 25 Jun, 2019 3:54 pm

Just an aside: Chewings is apparently pretty epic.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby ribuck » Tue 25 Jun, 2019 5:53 pm

eggs wrote:I can only suggest Red Gorge past Ellery Creek.

A good suggestion eggs, but Red Gorge is too close to Portals Canyon to be a day's walk away.

eggs wrote:Curiously, your last description seems to fit Chapmans report of exploring above Portals Canyon??

Yes, Portals Canyon and this one are similar in many ways. The same defiant person conducted the first non-indigenous exploration of the slot section of Portals Canyon (in 1999), and of Meg's Reach of this canyon (in 1992).

Chapman's report? Are you referring to the following page:
http://www.john.chapman.name/nt-chew.html
The route described by Chapman doesn't visit this canyon, though it gets within 2 hours' walk of the canyon mouth.

eggs wrote:It would help if I had a map of the area

May I suggest you use the aerial photo which forms the background of the following GPS trace by Marklav:
https://www.wikiloc.com/mountaineering- ... ge-5191560
Click "full screen" and zoom in. Marklav didn't visit this canyon, though he passed by. I think someone here will be able to match up the satellite view with the "view from above" and "view from below" photos that I posted earlier.

Anyway, here are some more clues:
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A crow would fly 4.1km from the top of the canyon to this nearest trig point
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby eggs » Tue 25 Jun, 2019 11:14 pm

Noone else is following the breadcrumbs?
Shame - it looks wonderful. So you have called this Canyon of Defiance?
[East from Mt Giles - your trig point]
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby ribuck » Wed 26 Jun, 2019 2:28 am

eggs wrote:So you have called this Canyon of Defiance?

No, I didn't name the canyon. The only names I have coined are Ribuck Ramp, Meg's Reach and Alexa's Reach, and I'm not emotionally attached to those names so feel free to call them whatever you like.

But Canyon of Defiance is the correct answer. Well done! You worked hard to win that.

Not many bushwalkers visit the Canyon of Defiance because most bushwalkers prefer to be on the south side of the Chewings Range at this point.

I had an ulterior motive for posting this canyon to the game. I have just posted an invitation in the Find Walking Companions forum for participants on an 8-day trip to Canyon of Defiance in early September:
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The Canyon of Defiance was named in 1991 by Frank Rigby, who wrote the book Bushwalking in the MacDonnell Ranges. He was on a trip with Meg McKone of CMW, who wrote: "We could look down into the amphitheatre and see the white rocks at the bottom of the creek as it headed into a canyon and disappeared from sight around a huge red bulge in the cliffs, only to reappear before dropping to the plains below. The slopes down into the gorge looked impossibly steep and the step onto the plains might have an impassable drop. As we mused over a possible name, Frank Rigby suggested ‘The Canyon of Defiance’, a tribute to its seemingly impregnable nature."

In 1992 Meg McKone found a way into part of the canyon (hence "Meg's Reach"), but the party could not get beyond the Pebble Bowl. She wrote: "We felt as if we were diving into the bowels of the earth, surrounded by glowing red and gold walls as we followed the canyon round the ‘Big Red Bulge’, straddling pools and wriggling up behind a chock-stone until we reached a bowl full of rounded pebbles beneath an impassable drop. Though the canyon continued above us, we couldn’t climb into it."

On subsequent trips, Meg tried to find a way into higher reaches of the canyon from the side and from above, but did not succeed. You can read more about the early exploration of the Canyon of Defiance and Portals Canyon on page 20 here:
https://www.cmw.asn.au/application/file ... ticles.pdf

It was not until last month, 27 years later, that I found Ribuck Ramp which leads into the reach above the Pebble Bowl. I refer to this as Alexa's Reach because Alexandra Bullen was the first to walk to the end of the main chasm of that reach. You can see where we went, and some more photos, at Wikiloc:
https://www.wikiloc.com/hiking-trails/c ... s-37899281

This was near the end of our trip, and we did not have time to explore much further, which is why I'm planning to return there in September, and inviting others to join me.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby eggs » Wed 26 Jun, 2019 10:11 am

A very informative posting ribuck.

I will stay in the NT - where was I heading?
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Brinkley Bluff from just past Reveal Saddle
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby ribuck » Wed 26 Jun, 2019 11:44 pm

You were heading westwards to Brinkley Bluff, and have just passed Reveal Saddle.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby eggs » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 12:13 am

Yes indeed. A pleasant spot for the night.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby ribuck » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 1:05 am

A pleasant spot indeed, but only when it's a pleasant night.

This one, in NSW, is a pleasant spot even on an unpleasant night:
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby Walk_fat boy_walk » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 8:50 am

Is that on (below) the Mt Bushwalker track?
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby ribuck » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 7:48 pm

It's not anywhere near Mt Bushwalker, fat boy, nor anywhere in Morton/Budawangs. Which leaves the other general area of NSW camping caves...

The cave is known by the name of the nearby creek, so the creek name is all I'm looking for. Not far away, on the same creek, is this delightful walk-through canyon and ferny grotto:
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby wildwanderer » Fri 28 Jun, 2019 8:19 pm

To get the ball rolling I'm going to guess somewhere near the wollangambie river, bungeleboori creek? Just a random stab in the dark though.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby ribuck » Fri 28 Jun, 2019 9:13 pm

No, wildwanderer, but nice guess. It's really close to Bungleboori creek.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby wildwanderer » Fri 28 Jun, 2019 9:27 pm

Someone else will need to narrow it down. There are a stack of camp caves and canyons in the area. Sadly Ive only visted a couple of them.

Il have one go even though I'm sure fairly sure it's wrong. Dingo creek?
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby johnw » Fri 28 Jun, 2019 10:04 pm

Dumbano Creek?
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby ribuck » Fri 28 Jun, 2019 11:08 pm

That's right, johnw, it's at the very top end of Dumbano Creek. I know the features as Dumbano Creek Cave and Suboir Canyon, but the canyon is also called Dumbano Tunnels. Not the same as Dumbano Canyon which is further downstream. Lovely area.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby johnw » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 1:03 pm

ribuck wrote:That's right, johnw, it's at the very top end of Dumbano Creek. I know the features as Dumbano Creek Cave and Suboir Canyon, but the canyon is also called Dumbano Tunnels. Not the same as Dumbano Canyon which is further downstream. Lovely area.

Thanks ribuck, I know some of that area but not visited that specific locale.

NSW. For this I'm really looking for the name of the feature I'm on. Anything else gets bonus points.
I've walked from a hut on this feature for about 20 minutes to this spot.
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Looking at Disappointment Ridge from Disappointment Spur trail, near the hut of the same name, Kosciuskzo NP via Guthega NSW
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby johnw » Sun 30 Jun, 2019 7:03 pm

The hut, the feature I'm on and the ridge above are similarly named.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby GBW » Sun 30 Jun, 2019 7:47 pm

Grey Mare?
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby johnw » Sun 30 Jun, 2019 7:57 pm

GBW wrote:Grey Mare?

Not Grey Mare GBW but I like your thinking. This is in same broad area but closer to civilisation.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby johnw » Mon 01 Jul, 2019 10:41 pm

I'll feel very let down if someone doesn't have another guess soon.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby GBW » Mon 01 Jul, 2019 11:21 pm

I haven't been there johnw but your hint points at Disappointment Spur?
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby johnw » Tue 02 Jul, 2019 1:56 am

GBW wrote:I haven't been there johnw but your hint points at Disappointment Spur?

Bingo, that's the one GBW. Over to you.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby GBW » Tue 02 Jul, 2019 10:41 am

Thanks John. NT...

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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby GregR » Tue 02 Jul, 2019 1:05 pm

Looks remarkably like Edith falls
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby GBW » Tue 02 Jul, 2019 4:13 pm

That's it Greg. The upper falls I think, all yours.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby GregR » Tue 02 Jul, 2019 5:55 pm

GBW wrote:That's it Greg. The upper falls I think, all yours.


Thanks GBW

This ones should go quick- Victoria.
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby north-north-west » Tue 02 Jul, 2019 7:00 pm

No idea, but can we please get a few posts to push this thread onto the 500th page?
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Re: Game: Where-is-it (Aussie)

Postby Zapruda » Tue 02 Jul, 2019 7:03 pm

north-north-west wrote:No idea, but can we please get a few posts to push this thread onto the 500th page?


Yes we can.
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