"Exploring the Jagungal Wilderness"

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Re: "Exploring the Jagungal Wilderness"

Postby wildwanderer » Mon 03 Dec, 2018 5:57 pm

Nice work.

May also want to mention there is pig damage along the bulls peak route. Around GR 297 970 (jagungal) if memory serves.
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Re: "Exploring the Jagungal Wilderness"

Postby Mark F » Mon 03 Dec, 2018 6:07 pm

Perhaps the way forward is to examine restoring one or more historic tracks that lie outside the wilderness zone. While this one is my pet, Arsenic Ridge, it is not in the wilderness zone and has a place in the history of the goldfields. About 8km in length and much of it is relatively clear. This will help establish the bone fides of the move with knp, hopefully showing acceptance by users and the likelihood of adequate volunteer effort. I expect the kha also had to go though a similar process. One track that currently seems to be in progress is Hanells Spur.
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Re: "Exploring the Jagungal Wilderness"

Postby Zapruda » Mon 03 Dec, 2018 6:21 pm

Mark F wrote:Perhaps the way forward is to examine restoring one or more historic tracks that lie outside the wilderness zone. While this one is my pet, Arsenic Ridge, it is not in the wilderness zone and has a place in the history of the goldfields. About 8km in length and much of it is relatively clear. This will help establish the bone fides of the move with knp, hopefully showing acceptance by users and the likelihood of adequate volunteer effort. I expect the kha also had to go though a similar process. One track that currently seems to be in progress is Hanells Spur.


Arsenic ridge would be an excellent track to restore as well. Mark, do you happen to have a gpx file or grid references you would be willing to share of the track?

I have been up and down the ridge numerous times over the years and have found it hard to follow what’s left of the track.

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Re: "Exploring the Jagungal Wilderness"

Postby Mark F » Mon 03 Dec, 2018 7:16 pm

Mark F wrote:Arsenic ridge would be an excellent track to restore as well. Mark, do you happen to have a gpx file or grid references you would be willing to share of the track?

I don't have a gpx track yet but have been into the National Library and accessed the old sma 4" to the mile series which show the track. I was planning on spending a few days in the area this summer to suss out what may remain on the ground. I haven't walked it but from Google Earth I think the section from Tabletop Mtn to Boltons Hill Fire Trail is relatively clear and possibly a section of the track along Temperance Creek is visible. I have been down from the ft to Brooks Hut and much of this is easily passable apart from the slope from the intermediate high point down to near the hut. (Note the Brooks Hut shown on these maps is not the current Brooks Hut location which is the unlabelled hut a little to the SE.

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Temperance Ck section


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Arsenic Ridge section


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Arsenic Ridge to road
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Re: "Exploring the Jagungal Wilderness"

Postby RVG » Mon 03 Dec, 2018 8:14 pm

Hi Mark
Arsenic Ridge was discussed. It's outside the Wilderness Zone and is definitely historical, being part of Ligar's Route from Beechworth to the Kiandra goldfields.

After its discovery, a telegram from Ligar describing the route was read in the Victorian Parliament along with the announcement of he discovery of gold at the Toolong Diggings. All of which received loud applause.

Upon the discovery of Ligars Route the Victorian towns cheered because it meant that Victorian miners going to Kiandra would keep within Victoria and give their trade to Victorians. The good burghers of Albury were plunged into doom and meetings were held to promote a route within NSW but which avoided the perils of the Tumut River Valley.

Inter state rivalry started early.

Ligars Route passed from the south through Farm Ridge, Doubtful Gap, along Diggers Creek, across Happy Jacks and up Arsenic Ridge.

In later years a good deal of that route, including the section up Arsenic Ridge, became a TSR, so it definitely has heritage value.

I went up it about 1995. It was very clear then and on Google Earth a fair bit of it can still be seen. Old topo maps would also show the route pretty closely so I would expect that, with some effort, it could be accurately marked.

One issue is whether, having been marked and a track cleared, would walking pressure alone keep it open or would it require ongoing maintenance?

Another issue is whether there would be enough volunteers to do the work. In that respect quite a distance was cleared up Hannels Spur in a short time.
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Re: "Exploring the Jagungal Wilderness"

Postby Zapruda » Tue 04 Dec, 2018 7:40 am

Mark F wrote:I was planning on spending a few days in the area this summer to suss out what may remain on the ground.


Thanks for the maps. I hope you have more luck than I have had. I’d be keen to swap notes after your trip.
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Re: "Exploring the Jagungal Wilderness"

Postby rcaffin » Wed 05 Dec, 2018 4:10 pm

Been off the air for a few days, but the huge tree on the phone line (post storm) has now been removed.

The Wilderness Act and the PoM etc were initially used to avoid having to do any work on Hannels Spur. But that was overcome.

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Re: "Exploring the Jagungal Wilderness"

Postby RVG » Fri 07 Dec, 2018 3:18 pm

During the discussion it was mentioned that Hannels Spur is mentioned by name in the Plan of Management. There are no tracks in the Jagungal Wilderness which are mentioned by name.

I'm no expert but a quick read of the Wilderness Act omits any direct reference to heritage in Wilderness areas. One gets the impression that those who drafted the Wilderness Act assumed that Wilderness areas would be areas where there was no cultural history.

Are there any heritage consultants on the forum or persons with knowledge of the interplay between the Wilderness Act and cultural history?

Because it is not in a Wilderness Area, Arsenic Ridge might well be a candidate for some heritage work.
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