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Victorian Road closures discussion

PostPosted: Fri 18 May, 2018 6:51 pm
by Lophophaps
A suggestion was made for a sticky for each state and territory showing road closures. Please advise here of any edits to the Victorian sticky and of any road closures.

The Victorian sticky is at viewtopic.php?f=37&t=27860

Re: Victorian Road closure - read only

PostPosted: Sun 20 May, 2018 3:06 pm
by ErichFromm
Thanks. What's great about this forum is people looking out for others....

Re: Victorian Road closures discussion

PostPosted: Tue 30 Oct, 2018 3:53 pm
by Xplora
The Bogong High Plains Road is expected to open this Friday 2/11/18. That is the plan and it is on track to do so. Don't blame me if it doesn't. My source is good however.

Re: Victorian Road closures discussion

PostPosted: Wed 02 Jan, 2019 3:48 pm
by Lophophaps
Cascade Fire Trail closed in March 2019. See
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=29042
The diversion is a major pain.

Re: Victorian Road closures discussion

PostPosted: Thu 09 May, 2019 10:29 am
by GBW
Do seasonal road closures include walkers (and bicycles) ? In particular...

https://parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/asset ... Map26C.pdf

Re: Victorian Road closures discussion

PostPosted: Thu 09 May, 2019 11:17 am
by Heremeahappy1
Road closures. My long held and practiced understanding has been road closured are to vehicles. You may walk until your heart's content.
During a recent conversation with a ranger I proposed a fatbike trip along a seasonally closed road, behind the gates to access areas over winter. He advised as a bike is a vehicle = no go. He advised that Parks staff do not venture beyond locked gates during seasonal closures unless gates/locks show signs that of damage, removal etc. Closures manage impact and subsequent maintenance and rehab works, not too mention ill-prepped pers rescues during winter. Minimum impact and LNT to be practiced always. Go beyond the gates, do it respectfully and all users/stakeholders won't thank you - they just won't know you've been there. Aim to have less impact than a wombat and it'll be alright in the long run.

Re: Victorian Road closures discussion

PostPosted: Thu 09 May, 2019 12:12 pm
by nezumi
GBW wrote:Do seasonal road closures include walkers (and bicycles) ? In particular...

https://parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/asset ... Map26C.pdf


I can't speak to those particular roads, but I have enjoyed riding up the dirt road on Donna Buang for the Queens Birthday long weekend a few times. Having the road closed and riding up it has been an awesome experience - but I wouldn't be in favour of riding down a closed dirt/backcountry road, given the potential for encountering hazards at pace.

Re: Victorian Road closures discussion

PostPosted: Thu 09 May, 2019 1:03 pm
by Xplora
Heremeahappy1 is spot on. Seasonal closures in Vic NP's mean push bikes also but walking is fine. We often ride BHP road just before it opens but that is tar sealed. However on Management Vehicle only tracks you can ride a push bike unless it specifically prohibits them. So it could mean you can ride on MVA's all year round but not on a seasonally closed road. I will have to consult the legislation and it could need clarification. I have discovered other elements of contradiction within the NP Act and Regs.

Re: Victorian Road closures discussion

PostPosted: Thu 09 May, 2019 2:05 pm
by GBW
Thanks guys. I may have to walk instead but I'm still unsure why pushies are classified in the same category as cars. Most of these roads/tracks (on the map link) form part of the Upper Yarra Trail to Baw Baw and would be a great extension of the Warburton Rail Trail as a way to access Baw Baw in the winter.

Re: Victorian Road closures discussion

PostPosted: Thu 09 May, 2019 4:51 pm
by Xplora
My advice for now would be to contact your local PV office. They may have better information but I have found that the local parkies are not always up to date with legislation and its interpretation. Push bikes can do a great deal of damage to wet tracks. One may not be an issue but if it was allowed across the board then tracks could suffer badly. It is impossible to allow one or two and not 1000.

Re: Victorian Road closures discussion

PostPosted: Thu 09 May, 2019 5:04 pm
by Xplora
This is the regulation
93 Road and track closures to some or all vehicles
r. 93
(1) The Secretary by determination may set aside a road or track in a park as an area—
(a) to which the entry of vehicles or a class of vehicles is prohibited;
(b) to which the entry of vehicles or a class of vehicles is restricted.
(2) A determination under subregulation (1) may except a class of vehicles from any prohibition or restriction contained in the determination.

So you need to find out if a determination has been made on that portion of track. Local PV office again. Like I said before, a seasonal closure affects all vehicles but a MVA can have exceptions. I am not sure if PV have worked out the difference yet. Exceptions may not apply seasonally so you can ride MVA's. That is my view based on short reading but don't take it as gospel.

Re: Victorian Road closures discussion

PostPosted: Thu 09 May, 2019 5:57 pm
by GBW
Thanks Xplora, I contacted PV earlier to get some clarification a "vehicle" and got a reply. You were all correct. She asked me if I was prepared for cold wet conditions.
Hi Gerard,
No problem - I just wanted to make sure you were prepared!
That term does include push bikes. Bicycles can't be used on roads that are under a seasonal road closure. Walking is permitted, though.
Hope this information helps. Thanks for checking.