Zapruda wrote:I'm a stuffer, and pack in pretty much the same order as you.
Its the space savings that make stuffing the superior method.
rcaffin wrote:The idea of stuffing a wet snow-covered tent into my pack on top of my dry clothing and dry quilt rather amuses me.
For the record, we are careful 'sackers', but with UL stuff sacks. And with clean dry gear inside a dry pack.
The tent, wet or otherwise, goes on top of the main bag, over a waterproof layer, and under the lid. Water drips off the outsides of the pack.
Cheers
Roger
Zapruda wrote:
The idea that we can have dry sleeping bags or quilts in our Alpine amuses me. The condensation up here is relentless, and I know where to make camp and how to ventilate a shelter...
Moondog55 wrote:Zapruda wrote:
The idea that we can have dry sleeping bags or quilts in our Alpine amuses me. The condensation up here is relentless, and I know where to make camp and how to ventilate a shelter...
What?? Something really wrong there because my experience tells me that is the most important factor in being safe and comfortable and in the last 30 years of snow camping I have never had a wet sleeping bag or for that matter even mildly damp. I don't go Ultra light in winter for a reason. Back when I did get wet feet it was always my error or trying to save weight and skimping on shelter. Bivvying is a slightly different matter and my dedicated survival kit is somewhat different to my other kit and selected with the fact that getting damp may be unavoidable but I consider my sleeping bag dry bag essential to my comfort and the extra 300 grams of the rucksack liner well worth the extra weight
rcaffin wrote:The idea of stuffing a wet snow-covered tent into my pack on top of my dry clothing and dry quilt rather amuses me.
For the record, we are careful 'sackers', but with UL stuff sacks. And with clean dry gear inside a dry pack.
The tent, wet or otherwise, goes on top of the main bag, over a waterproof layer, and under the lid. Water drips off the outsides of the pack.
Cheers
Roger
Moondog55 wrote:Ive done my share of touring so please don't patronise me.
Moondog55 wrote:Oh Dear me
I am starting to become what Colin Fletcher termed a highly accomplished but highly opinionated Old Codger, but condescending? Never intentionally
The idea that we can have dry sleeping bags or quilts in our Alpine amuses me. The condensation up here is relentless, and I know where to make camp and how to ventilate a shelter...
Bags get damp unfortunately. Put it up to the light after a morning out and you will see moisture on the inside of the lining.
If you sleep with the door of your tent open you let in all that dew/mist we get in the mountains, if you sleep with it closed the condensation comes from your body.
Try keeping out of frost hollows at night in Jagungal when ski touring.
RonK wrote:It seems to me the difference between a stuffer and a sacker is simply the size of the sack.
And I doubt whether there is a significant weight difference between one large sack or several smaller ones.
Some like to organise, others not so much.
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