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wildwanderer wrote:EDIT- Realised I went on some weird defence of light weight hiking tangent... which wasnt even the questionFirst up I would put myself in the light weight hiking category.
My first aid kit (in a zip loc bag) consists of
20 gram swiss army knife with integrated tweezers, pen, scissors
4-5 assorted size band aids
Blister pack of nurofen
blister pack of cold and flu tablets
blister pack of Imodium anti diarrhea
Big roll of Elastoplast tape for taping hot spots, fixing gear, taping wounds.
snake bite bandage. Also doubles as a wound bandage.
BIC lighter, emergency fire starters. Emergency water purification tabs.
All up about 150 grams for total kit.
I also carry a PLB.
I’ve never needed any more even on multiday trips and that FA kit can solve a multitude of problems to keep me happy and walking.
My gear weight is typically about 10kg for a 3-4 day walk including food and water. (assuming water sources are available along the route) This is carryin a 1p tent, stove, sleeping gear and wet/cold weather gear. All my gear is light weight especially the big stuff like pack/tent/sleeping bag/mat. So, I don’t think light weight hiker = unprepared hiker. Keep in mind this gear list is four season (non thick scrub non alpine).
I fully agree that a person should be self-sufficient (or group sufficient if walking with others). If someone wasn’t prepared with sufficient gear then they would find me very reluctant to share unless it was a life or death situation.
Wed 11 Apr, 2018 5:01 pm
crollsurf wrote:You bump into those people in all walks of life. It's not an UL thing per se. Normally what happens towards the end of a walk (even with ultra-lighters) is people have excess food and are trying to palm it of on each other. "My dehydrated food is so nice (yeah right), leave your food in the pack and I'll cook tonight"
Wed 11 Apr, 2018 5:13 pm
Wed 11 Apr, 2018 5:36 pm
Tasgirl wrote:For us, it was a little difficult not to help them out bc they were 3 days in and 3 days away from civilisation. The guy was a little unfit and in no way would have been able to walk 30 odd km out in a day. I think thats why a lot of us felt obligated to bail him out, even if begrudgenly. I guess, could you call that a Life or Death? Would you still choose not to help? And, if you were in my situation, as someone who hikes light, would you have said anything to them esp because they were preaching about how lightweight they were to other hikers who were prepared. In a way, some of us felt like it was intentional. As in, they banked on others helping them out. They get to go light, others pull the weight for them. Almost like a profession. They were travelling Tasmania and seeking out free accommodation a few days prior sussing people out.
Wed 11 Apr, 2018 5:56 pm
Wed 11 Apr, 2018 6:20 pm
Tasgirl wrote: I dont believe I have any rights to accept anything.
Wed 11 Apr, 2018 6:37 pm
Lindsay wrote:Hi Tasgirl, welcome to the forum. Thankyou. ☺
I understand you are not having a go at the lightweight walkers, and all would agree with you about these clowns. Among the UL community there is an unofficial category known as 'stupid light' which describes your friends on the OLT very well. I consider myself a lightweight walker rather than ultra light, but still have all the gear I need. As far a first aid equipment goes, I can fix a great number of things with a small but comprehensive kit. If I an unable to manage a problem with what I have then it is time for an evacuation.
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Wed 11 Apr, 2018 7:24 pm
slparker wrote:I am happy to share food or first aid supplies to an ultralighter who has neglected to pack the necessities but bushwalking hath no greater lesson than a toilet roll deficit.
let them use cutting grass, I say.
Warin wrote:Tasgirl wrote:
I dont believe I have any rights to accept anything.
Humm ... I think you mean no rights to expect something.
Yes, I think you are right. I dont believe I have the right to expect others to help me if I am not sufficiently prepared. Intentionally or unintentionally.
There is a certain grace in accepting courtesy, when it is freely offered.
Being open to assistance is a good thing, as most are willing to offer assistance so most should be willing to accept it.
Negotiating the assistance should be done, with care and thought for both sides.
Wed 11 Apr, 2018 7:55 pm
Tasgirl wrote: I have an overstocked first aid kit now that a paramedic would be proud of. Im not silly enough to believe westpac rescue helicopter service are just waiting around playing a game of solitaire just waiting for my PLB to go off. Sometimes they can be caught up. 2 heliocopters to cover all of Tassie. Hobart is 2 hours from Cradle by Helicopter. 4 hours return. Longer if both choppers are out or weather is bad. They can also usually only take out one casuality one at a time.. I dont have bare essentials now. I have a myriad of things to cover a multitude of potential scenarios bc you cant predict what the OT will throw at you. I think thats where I come from. .
Wed 11 Apr, 2018 8:12 pm
wildwanderer wrote:
A bit off topic but I think it’s an interesting discussion. Can a first aid kit really substitute for a situation that requires helicopter evacuation?
My philosophy has always been carry a first aid kit that will
a) remove pain/discomfort of minor injuries/illness and allow me to continue the walk.
b) have equipment that will delay death/further serious injury until help arrives (and assist in summoning help). eg snake bite bandage, PLB etc. Or assist in self-evacuating eg carrying Elastoplast tape to tape/support a sprained ankle etc
You mentioned you used up most of your substantial first aid kit on the OT. Im curious (only if you don’t mind revealing) what the supplies you were using up were? I may need to revaluate what I carry...
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 1:06 pm
Lamont wrote:Off and /On topic I suppose
"social Darwinism
noun
the theory that individuals, groups, and peoples are subject to the same Darwinian laws of natural selection as plants and animals. Now largely discredited, social Darwinism was advocated by Herbert Spencer and others in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and was used to justify political conservatism, imperialism, and racism and to discourage intervention and reform."
Just the Google definition.-but concise and captures the essence.
This idea provided much of the basis for the exclusionary policies in the recent founding of this country of ours. Best to stay right away from it in my mind.
Sat 14 Apr, 2018 7:57 pm
crollsurf wrote:You bump into those people in all walks of life. It's not an UL thing per se. Normally what happens towards the end of a walk (even with ultra-lighters) is people have excess food and are trying to palm it of on each other. "My dehydrated food is so nice (yeah right), leave your food in the pack and I'll cook tonight"
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