Tue 16 Feb, 2016 12:25 pm
jackhinde wrote:The tragedy is an unfortunate reminder to parents to know the correct first aid and be prepared.
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Wed 05 Oct, 2016 7:28 am
slparker wrote:i too hope the child recovers well - but why do the parents need $20, 000?
Wed 05 Oct, 2016 9:23 am
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Wed 05 Oct, 2016 11:53 am
slparker wrote:i too hope the child recovers well - but why do the parents need $20, 000?
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Sun 18 Dec, 2016 5:35 am
ribuck wrote: I doubt it would be useful for a bite on the arm though.
Sun 18 Dec, 2016 8:01 am
Sun 18 Dec, 2016 2:57 pm
slparker wrote:Stockings are unlikely to provide the pressure required to compress lymphatic vessels in the leg, and so stop or slow venom progression. The pressure required is fairly high which is why the Australian Resuscitation Council recommend a broad elasticised compressive bandage and correct training.
You will amuse the SAR team and ED staff when you rock up in stockings, though.
Sun 18 Dec, 2016 3:57 pm
Bites to the lower limb
1. Apply a broad pressure bandage over the bite site as soon as possible.
Crepe bandages are ideal, but any flexible material may be used. Clothing, towels etc may be torn into strips. Panty hose have been successfully used.
Do not take off clothing, as the movement of doing so will promote the movement of venom into the blood stream. Keep the bitten limb, and the patient, still.
Bandage upwards from the lower portion of the bitten limb. Even though a little venom may be squeezed upwards, the bandage will be more comfortable, and therefore can be left in place for longer if required.
Sun 18 Dec, 2016 5:49 pm
WarrenH wrote:slparker wrote:Stockings are unlikely to provide the pressure required to compress lymphatic vessels in the leg, and so stop or slow venom progression. The pressure required is fairly high which is why the Australian Resuscitation Council recommend a broad elasticised compressive bandage and correct training.
You will amuse the SAR team and ED staff when you rock up in stockings, though.
Do you know that for a fact, mate, because it was the advice from 000 that told me to use the panty hose.
The conversation went like this.
I've been bitten by an Eastern Brown Snake and I'm by myself. I then gave 000 my name and my exact location and I offered them the GPS co-ordinates. I was told that the ambulance was already on its way and that the GPS co-ordinates were of no use as the ambulance wasn't equipped to cope with the GPS co-ordinates.
I was immediately put through to an emergency medical person who asked me was there a woman in the house. When I said yes, but not at home, I was told to go into the bedroom, find some panty hose, which will be in the top draw and pull one leg over the bitten leg then wind the other leg back down as far as I could. When the ambulance officers arrived they swapped the panty hose for a crepe pressure bandage, that was fitted no where near as tightly as the panty hose was.
That was 000's advice to me mate and not my original idea. Me being several sizes bigger than the woman whose panty hose I had used, the panty hose was as tight as I could have wished.
I have done a wilderness first aid certificate with Wilderness First Aid Consultants. I do think that I have a bit of a clue. If the panty hose was not tight, and it was very tight, I would have used my pressure bandages. Ask the woman in your life, does she keep here panty hose in the top draw of the dresser. The person who gave me the emergency advice knew exactly what was going on. The speed which this all happened was rapid and maybe the speed of using the panty hose outweighed the slowness of me putting on a pressure bandage and achieving and maintaining a uniform pressure.
Do you give emergency advice on 000? I don't overlook that the advice that I read on forums, is consistent with what I paid for. Nor should anyone.
Warren.
Sun 18 Dec, 2016 6:11 pm
WarrenH wrote:slparker wrote:Stockings are unlikely to provide the pressure required to compress lymphatic vessels in the leg, and so stop or slow venom progression. The pressure required is fairly high which is why the Australian Resuscitation Council recommend a broad elasticised compressive bandage and correct training.
You will amuse the SAR team and ED staff when you rock up in stockings, though.
Do you know that for a fact, mate, because it was the advice from 000 that told me to use the panty hose.
The conversation went like this.
I've been bitten by an Eastern Brown Snake and I'm by myself. I then gave 000 my name and my exact location and I offered them the GPS co-ordinates. I was told that the ambulance was already on its way and that the GPS co-ordinates were of no use as the ambulance wasn't equipped to cope with the GPS co-ordinates.
I was immediately put through to an emergency medical person who asked me was there a woman in the house. When I said yes, but not at home, I was told to go into the bedroom, find some panty hose, which will be in the top draw and pull one leg over the bitten leg then wind the other leg back down as far as I could. When the ambulance officers arrived they swapped the panty hose for a crepe pressure bandage, that was fitted no where near as tightly as the panty hose was.
That was 000's advice to me mate and not my original idea. Me being several sizes bigger than the woman whose panty hose I had used, the panty hose was as tight as I could have wished.
I have done a wilderness first aid certificate with Wilderness First Aid Consultants. I do think that I have a bit of a clue. If the panty hose was not tight, and it was very tight, I would have used my pressure bandages. Ask the woman in your life, does she keep here panty hose in the top draw of the dresser. The person who gave me the emergency advice knew exactly what was going on. The speed which this all happened was rapid and maybe the speed of using the panty hose outweighed the slowness of me putting on a pressure bandage and achieving and maintaining a uniform pressure.
Do you give emergency advice on 000? I don't overlook that the advice that I read on forums, is consistent with what I paid for. Nor should anyone.
Warren.
Sun 18 Dec, 2016 6:20 pm
jdeks wrote:Also, considering that you said in the end, no venom was actually injected (and yet you still wound up having ongoing complications), I wouldn't think this case really demonstrates the pantyhose were an effective treatment.
Sun 18 Dec, 2016 7:03 pm
Sun 18 Dec, 2016 7:22 pm
photohiker wrote:To be fair, Warren. Pantyhose would never be as tight and as even as a compression bandage. It just isn't.
Pantyhose wound around your leg rather than just being pulled on, also won't be long enough as a compression bandage and won't be deliver even pressure as a good compression bandage like the Setopress (10cm wide x 3.5 metres)
Sun 18 Dec, 2016 9:06 pm
WarrenH wrote:slparker wrote:Stockings are unlikely to provide the pressure required to compress lymphatic vessels in the leg, and so stop or slow venom progression. The pressure required is fairly high which is why the Australian Resuscitation Council recommend a broad elasticised compressive bandage and correct training.
You will amuse the SAR team and ED staff when you rock up in stockings, though.
Do you know that for a fact, mate, because it was the advice from 000 that told me to use the panty hose.
The conversation went like this.
I've been bitten by an Eastern Brown Snake and I'm by myself. I then gave 000 my name and my exact location and I offered them the GPS co-ordinates. I was told that the ambulance was already on its way and that the GPS co-ordinates were of no use as the ambulance wasn't equipped to cope with the GPS co-ordinates.
I was immediately put through to an emergency medical person who asked me was there a woman in the house. When I said yes, but not at home, I was told to go into the bedroom, find some panty hose, which will be in the top draw and pull one leg over the bitten leg then wind the other leg back down as far as I could. When the ambulance officers arrived they swapped the panty hose for a crepe pressure bandage, that was fitted no where near as tightly as the panty hose was.
That was 000's advice to me mate and not my original idea. Me being several sizes bigger than the woman whose panty hose I had used, the panty hose was as tight as I could have wished.
I have done a wilderness first aid certificate with Wilderness First Aid Consultants. I do think that I have a bit of a clue. If the panty hose was not tight, and it was very tight, I would have used my pressure bandages. Ask the woman in your life, does she keep here panty hose in the top draw of the dresser. The person who gave me the emergency advice knew exactly what was going on. The speed which this all happened was rapid and maybe the speed of using the panty hose outweighed the slowness of me putting on a pressure bandage and achieving and maintaining a uniform pressure.
Do you give emergency advice on 000? I don't overlook that the advice that I read on forums, is consistent with what I paid for. Nor should anyone.
Warren.
Sun 18 Dec, 2016 10:06 pm
WarrenH wrote:photohiker wrote:To be fair, Warren. Pantyhose would never be as tight and as even as a compression bandage. It just isn't.
Pantyhose wound around your leg rather than just being pulled on, also won't be long enough as a compression bandage and won't be deliver even pressure as a good compression bandage like the Setopress (10cm wide x 3.5 metres)
What don't you guys get? I know that, I'm not a simpleton ... I used what was easily got and available after being advised by the medical expert on 000. In an earlier post I've stated that I carry two compression bandages. Nor did I say that I have faith in the pantyhose only, nor would I use it only, apart from that one time when I had little option.
I know Australia leads the world in snake bite recovery. I know the correct procedures for the maintenance of a snake bite. Following the correct procedures WHEN POSSIBLE is the reason why we do. But I certainly wasn't prepared to do nothing because I wasn't able to preform world's best practice then. There are times when being resourceful might be a better option than possibly being dead.
What.
Mon 19 Dec, 2016 9:09 am
WarrenH wrote:jdeks wrote:Also, considering that you said in the end, no venom was actually injected (and yet you still wound up having ongoing complications), I wouldn't think this case really demonstrates the pantyhose were an effective treatment.
One could also say that the compression bandage that was placed on me by the ambulance officers after they removed the pantyhose ... was just as useless?
WarrenH wrote:Well I wonder what you guys would have done, if you were by yourself and the medical expert on the other end of the 000 line told you to pull-on a leg of a women's panty hose to save time. How long does it take you to put on a compression bandage on when you're by yourself?
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