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Re: snake bite

Postby Nuts » Mon 19 Dec, 2016 9:16 am

Wouldn't the effectiveness result from the relative size of ones 'missus'? :)
What psi is enacted by a correctly applied compression bandage? how hard would those hose be to get on? Interesting!
I'd not carry them for purpose but my bow now has extra string! I like such new ideas, thanks!
I wonder why a product isn't available, compression stockings are. Maybe the limited application place (a leg) is all?
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Re: snake bite

Postby slparker » Mon 19 Dec, 2016 10:33 am

Nuts wrote:Wouldn't the effectiveness result from the relative size of ones 'missus'? :)
What psi is enacted by a correctly applied compression bandage? how hard would those hose be to get on? Interesting!
I'd not carry them for purpose but mine bow now has extra string! I like new ideas, thanks!
I wonder why a product isn't available, compression stockings are. Maybe the limited application place (a leg) is all?

It's not easy to have an elastic textile that can be applied easily yet still creates enough compression, let alone accommodating for different leg circumferences.
The nearest analogue would be a Ted stocking which provides very little compression, compared to a bandage, and needs to be sized for each person. They are not easy to apply correctly.
Much easier to wind a compressive bandage but in saying that studies have shown that they usually aren't applied with sufficient pressure by rescuers either.
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Re: snake bite

Postby Nuts » Mon 19 Dec, 2016 11:01 am

hmmm, yeah, I helped an elderly relative in to an anti-embolism stocking. If that isn't enough compression (it's obviously not but wouldn't be far off) I can't imagine getting anything tighter. Sizing is another issue again.

Easy to imagine that the immediate treatment of snakebite will evolve (eg. an inflatable tube, gauge like a BP cuff..), in an attended situation at least.

I'd be reaching for a bandage for sure. Definitely if it was an option or as an option to carry.
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Re: snake bite

Postby taipan821 » Mon 19 Dec, 2016 3:29 pm

has anyone used or have experience with snake-proof gaiters? I don't really need them for hiking but interested in wearing them during S.E.S. Searches (hey, something to stop me being a casualty)
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Re: snake bite

Postby photohiker » Wed 21 Dec, 2016 12:57 pm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-21/m ... ld/8138790

77 year old bloke north of Cairns tried to kill a Taipan in his house. Wearing no shoes, the snake bit him between his toes.

The bloke is in hospital and in a bad way, and the snake is dead.
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Re: snake bite

Postby Overlandman » Wed 21 Dec, 2016 5:17 pm

Not a bite but be aware of your Christmas tree decorations.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-19/t ... on/8131764
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Re: snake bite

Postby photohiker » Tue 27 Dec, 2016 10:50 am

photohiker wrote:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-21/man-critical-condition-taipan-bite-cairns-qld/8138790

77 year old bloke north of Cairns tried to kill a Taipan in his house. Wearing no shoes, the snake bit him between his toes.

The bloke is in hospital and in a bad way, and the snake is dead.


Finally passed away 6 days later.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-27/m ... nd/8149202
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Re: snake bite

Postby Overlandman » Mon 02 Jan, 2017 6:04 pm

From ABCNEWS

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-02/m ... te/8157906

Ambulance and emergency services are working to rescue a man believed to have been bitted by a snake in the Blue Mountains National Park.

It is believed the man was part of a group abseiling in the Whungee-Wheengee Canyon near Mt Wilson, about 100 kilometres north-east of Sydney.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-03/m ... ed/8158326
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Re: snake bite

Postby Overlandman » Fri 06 Jan, 2017 7:49 pm

One from Melbourne

https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/3373025 ... ather-son/

A Melbourne father and his 11-year-old autistic son have been bitten by a tiger snake that slithered into their suburban home.
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Re: snake bite

Postby Overlandman » Mon 09 Jan, 2017 6:43 pm

Twice in a week at Queensland Australia Zoo

http://www.themercury.com.au/second-wom ... 8005191ac2
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Re: snake bite

Postby Robert H » Wed 18 Jan, 2017 9:27 pm

Snakes have had a busy day in Tas today biting two children. :shock:

'The Westpac Police Rescue Helicopter is conveying a 5 year old girl to the Launceston General Hospital with a snake bite. The incident occurred on a property in Garibaldi Road, Pioneer. She is in a stable condition. The snake involved was believed to be a tiger snake.'
https://www.facebook.com/thevigilantene ... 98/?type=3

'Approximately 2.30pm on Wednesday 18 January 2017, the Westpac Rescue Helicopter was tasked to attend Hazards Beach on the Freycinet Peninsular to evacuate a 13 year old NSW boy with a suspected snake bite.
The helicopter was able to land close to the beach a short distance from the boy who was placed in a stretcher and carried to the heliopter with the assistance of the boys father, sister and other bushwalkers who had stopped to help.
He was flown to the Cenotaph in Hobart and transferred to the Royal Hobart Hospital in a stable condition.'
https://www.facebook.com/thevigilantene ... 973207176/
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Re: snake bite

Postby Overlandman » Thu 19 Jan, 2017 8:14 am

Another one added from the Huon area
From ABC

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-19/t ... ia/8193220
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Re: snake bite

Postby Overlandman » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 4:42 pm

One from Canberra

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-24/a ... te/8208064

A woman who survived a bite from a venomous brown snake in Canberra has heaped praise on the paramedics and hospital staff who treated her.

Tayla Ballard, 18, was bitten on the leg about 4:00pm yesterday while feeding her horses at Kambah in Canberra's south.
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Re: snake bite

Postby GPSGuided » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 8:17 pm

Has there been an increase in the incidents of these? Don't recall hearing as many in past years. Weather change?
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Re: snake bite

Postby Neo » Thu 26 Jan, 2017 8:04 am

A quiz from ABC on creepy crawlies. Happy Australia Day

http://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2017- ... gs/8204956
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Re: snake bite

Postby kjbeath » Thu 26 Jan, 2017 7:35 pm

GPSGuided wrote:Has there been an increase in the incidents of these? Don't recall hearing as many in past years. Weather change?


Apparently there are about 3,000 snakebites per year, with about 200-500 receive the antivenom, so they are just reporting them more often. http://www.anaesthesia.med.usyd.edu.au/ ... ebite.html gives some details.

It is nice knowing that if you are bitten, then there is only a 1 in 20 chance that you will need major treatment.

I did hear of someone who was bitten by a red-bellied black that aren't that venomous. It was in the evening, so they put the compression bandage on, and camped overnight. In the morning she felt fine, so they removed the bandage and walked out. At the car she felt very unwell and became a medical emergency at the hospital. So what they say in the first aid books is correct, the compression bandages work and once bitten don't move, get the emergency services.
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Snake bite

Postby Chunder fuzz » Thu 07 Dec, 2017 8:10 am

A recent study about snake bite.

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2017/207 ... 015-asp-20

A few bits from the study:

"The bite occurred while walking or during other activity unknowingly near a snake in 730 cases (47.1%), while attempting to catch or kill the snake in 224 (14%), and while gardening in 128 (8.3%) (online Appendix, table 2). Snakebites occurred near houses (485 cases, 31%), inside buildings (220 cases, 14%), or in bush or scrubland (172 cases, 11%) (online Appendix, table 3)."

"In seven of 11 deaths by cardiac arrest, PBI (Pressure Bandage Immobilisation) had not been applied before the patient collapsed; the median time to cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) was 15 minutes (range, 1–45 min). PBI was applied to 10 of 12 cardiac arrest patients who survived, with a median time to CPR of one minute (range, 1–10 min)."
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Re: Snake bite

Postby ChrisJHC » Thu 07 Dec, 2017 9:37 pm

So as long as I don’t do any gardening in or near the house I should be okay?


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Re: Snake bite

Postby Chunder fuzz » Fri 08 Dec, 2017 5:44 pm

Stay away from houses and gardens...
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Re: Snake bite

Postby stry » Wed 20 Dec, 2017 4:56 pm

Chunder fuzz wrote:Stay away from houses and gardens...


Definitely.

This bloke has been living happily in a garden for quite a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33UwUUh3um4
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Re: snake bite

Postby Overlandman » Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:09 am

Doesn’t mention if first aid was applied after receiving the bite?
If anyone has any further information please post.
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From ABC

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-12/b ... th/9322912

A 24-year-old man has died from a brown snake bite in the north west of New South Wales.

Police said the incident happened in the backyard of a home in Tamworth on Wednesday night, when the man attempted to protect a pet from the snake.

The man was bitten on the finger.

He was rushed to hospital by family but died away within an hour.
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Re: snake bite

Postby Robert H » Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:19 am

Wow must have got him good. In more positive snake bite news, I noticed this on the Tas Police Facebook.

The highly skilled crew of the Westpac Rescue Helicopter yesterday airlifted a 33-year-old woman from the Port Davey Track in the Southwest National Park after she sustained a snake bite. She was airlifted to Hobart in a stable condition.
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Re: snake bite

Postby wildwanderer » Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:22 am

Lesson to be learned with many of these incidents seems to be... Dont try to remove a snake from your home/backyard and def dont try and kill it. Snakes are faster than you and will bite.

of course there is also just plain bad luck.
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Re: snake bite

Postby Lindsay » Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:10 am

Overlandman wrote:Doesn’t mention if first aid was applied after receiving the bite?
If anyone has any further information please post.
Regards OLM

From ABC

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-12/b ... th/9322912

A 24-year-old man has died from a brown snake bite in the north west of New South Wales.

Police said the incident happened in the backyard of a home in Tamworth on Wednesday night, when the man attempted to protect a pet from the snake.

The man was bitten on the finger.

He was rushed to hospital by family but died away within an hour.


The article doesn't say if first aid was applied. This may have been a factor.
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Re: snake bite

Postby devoswitch » Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:35 am

Sad news :(

A question for you all... What's the standard protocol regarding snake bites and PLB's being set off etc?

After a few close calls recently I've been wondering if I was to be tagged should I set off a PLB immediately if in a remote area with no reception or do you sit around and make sure it wasn't just a dry bite?
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Re: snake bite

Postby Strider » Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:43 am

devoswitch wrote:Sad news :(

A question for you all... What's the standard protocol regarding snake bites and PLB's being set off etc?

After a few close calls recently I've been wondering if I was to be tagged should I set off a PLB immediately if in a remote area with no reception or do you sit around and make sure it wasn't just a dry bite?
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Re: snake bite

Postby slparker » Fri 12 Jan, 2018 12:53 pm

Strider wrote:
devoswitch wrote:Sad news :(

A question for you all... What's the standard protocol regarding snake bites and PLB's being set off etc?

After a few close calls recently I've been wondering if I was to be tagged should I set off a PLB immediately if in a remote area with no reception or do you sit around and make sure it wasn't just a dry bite?
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Activate 100%. It is a risk assessment.

You don't want to have to wait until symptoms are evident before organising evacuation - that is a lot of lost time. The victim would rather be having serious envenomation symptoms in ED than under a tarp in the bush.
Waiting might turn a serious but treatable problem into a serious but untreatable problem.
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Re: snake bite

Postby Warin » Fri 12 Jan, 2018 2:02 pm

devoswitch wrote:A question for you all... What's the standard protocol regarding snake bites and PLB's being set off etc?

After a few close calls recently I've been wondering if I was to be tagged should I set off a PLB immediately if in a remote area with no reception


Response time for a PLB/EPIRB is 30 minutes .. the response may just be an over flight. The response may not have any first aid.
The person on the spot has to make the judgement...[url]is this a life threatening situation?[/url] If yes then activate the PLB/EPIRB.
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Re: snake bite

Postby devoswitch » Fri 12 Jan, 2018 3:45 pm

Interesting.... I was kinda swaying the other way. Would hate for a helicopter to come out and grab you over a dry bite. However better safe than sorry I guess.
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Re: snake bite

Postby South_Aussie_Hiker » Fri 12 Jan, 2018 4:32 pm

The sooner this “inconveniencing everyone” mindset is lost, the better.
These people are employed and paid to ensure the welfare of people. They won’t take the helicopter into unsafe conditions or risk the lives of the crew.
If it’s a dry bite and you’re concerned about wasting their time - send a $1000 donation to rescue services so others can use the service in the future.
Think also of the cost to the taxpayer if you delay PLB activation, and as a result end up on life support for months on end in a public hospital.
You carry the PLB to use it. Be sensible, yes, but if you aren’t prepared to use it, you might as well return it to the store.
The only thing I’d regret more than pushing that button, would be not pushing it.
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