Thylacine controversy

[ILUVSWTAS]

Not at all I WANT peoples opinions!

I think its more likely a pig than a bandicoot though as I said they are VERY small.

[corvus]

Dont think so wrong shape,go back to where you got your pic of the Bandicoot from and have a look at the third one then do a closer inspection
corvus

[ILUVSWTAS]

Wrong shape for?? What? Make some sense please...

I looked through about 40 pics before choosing that one....

http://www.google.com.au/images?rls=ig& ... a=N&tab=wi


PLEASE look for yourself and tell me what I did "wrong"

[corvus]

Pig

[ILUVSWTAS]

Are you calling me a pig??

Or is that your way of admitting you may have been wrong??

[corvus]

Dont think you did anything wrong its just that I have a line drawing of a Bandicoot in a Tas Museum & Art Gallery publication from 1960 which is almost a exact image of your original Pic albeit that one has Head ,legs and tail.
Also thought you wanted comments
corvus

[ILUVSWTAS]

Just wasnt sure is all, sorry if I offended.

I know some people would never admit to the Tiger being alive, even if they were getting their toes chewed by one. I dont know WHAT this pic is, and im not saying it IS a tiger, but I know bandicoots. I have a pile of around 20 dead ones under my house from the resident cats that enjoy catching them. they are a smaller critter than whatever this is.

I thought it may have been the african animal mentioned earlier, but they also do not match the description

MOST likely it is a pig or a dog.

[tasadam]

Just wasnt sure is all, sorry if I offended.

I know some people would never admit to the Tiger being alive, even if they were getting their toes chewed by one. I dont know WHAT this pic is, and im not saying it IS a tiger, but I know bandicoots. I have a pile of around 20 dead ones under my house from the resident cats that enjoy catching them. they are a smaller critter than whatever this is.

I thought it may have been the african animal mentioned earlier, but they also do not match the description

MOST likely it is a pig or a dog.

So where did you get this mysterious picture?

[tasadam]

My opinion is that it is a fake.
Have a look at how skinny the back leg is.
have a look along its back and you will see that its back is not a uniform straight line, there is a blade of grass that overlaps the back, and the line of the back steps down a bit there, like it's been poorly photoshopped.
And I know of no animal that has stripes like that.

[ILUVSWTAS]

Hi Adam, Fun isnt it
As I said on the previous page, I didnt take the photo so I cant say publically where it came from. Your a bit of a photo manipulation guru, do you think this is a shop job???

[tasadam]

Here is a zoomed section of its back.

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Look at how poorly lined up it is in these 2 places -

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Follow its outline forward, and you notice a whitish outline as though to try and highlight the outline of the animal.
Why does this outline not continue?
Here...

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Sure looks fake to me.

[ILUVSWTAS]

Interesting! All we needed was a photoshopping guru

This is also interesting...


As is THIS video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUM4B2B3 ... r_embedded

[tasadam]

For the record, I generally do the minimal amount of photoshop work to reproduce an image as it was seen to me when taken. I try hard to reproduce exactly what I saw, using only time as a feature in some of my images.
Sure, Photoshop is very powerful and now I have CS5 (bought) and am barely scratching the surface of what it can do... But I don't use and never will use many of its features.

Why are the stripes on its back so far apart compared to other images by real Thylacines?

A bit of googling and I found this - http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-9103.html
Seems it might be the origins of this image.

One thing on that link that cracks me up -

As an artists of both digital 2D & 3D rendered media, imho it would take an expert at DREAMWORKS to match the fur that well. And even then, it would still look cutsy and sort of digital.

In this picture, we can see fine hair lines & even grass intersecting them. To keep such consistancy with fur.. it would be thousands of dollars & artistic talent to produce a fake that looks this real zoomed in on photoshop.

My opinion is that it is not possible to extract that much detail from an image that has only been supplied at maximum 640 pixels, detail enough to line up individual hairs? Come on!!!

While I believe photoshop or some photo editing has been used to produce this image (as exampled previously), I am not convinced the stripes were added digitally, they could have been, or it could have been paint or boot polish. That would explain the miracle of being able to line up individual hairs from a 640 pixel photo anyhow. I just cropped the image down to the width of one of those stripes, it made 33 pixels. Somehow I suspect there would be more than 33 hairs on the back in the region of the stripe, thus it is impossible to prove they line up so exactly. Not even taking into consideration the chromatic aberration that is so evident in this image, which would distort the individual hairs anyhow.


Having said all that, I also sincerely hope the Thylacine still exists, and as was said on that link, I hope it is discovered in my lifetime.

[north-north-west]

I don't know about the photo - although the stripes and broader and further apart than any picture of a thylacine I've ever seen - but the more I think about the original claim of a cover-up, the more likely it seems. Except for one thing.

There was an official search project after Hans' sighting which, unsurprisingly, officially decided there was no evidence. The timing is right; the sighting was in '82, the research lasted for a year, was about as high-tech as possible at the time (infra-red cameras and all that sort of thing) and was undertaken by a TasPAWS researcher called Nick Mooney, who has since gone on to bigger things.
Now, there's the one thing. I can't imagine Nick allowing himself to be hushed up over something so vital. There are people about whom you'd have no hesitation believing it, but Nick? He was - when I knew him, anyway - a true believer. He wasn't there for the money, but for the love of it. It would take more than the possible loss of a job to keep him quiet about something like that. IMNSHO, anyway.
Unless that was how he got the job as chief of the Wildlife Division . . .

[ILUVSWTAS]

Every man (or woman) has his price......

[north-north-west]

Yeah, and mine's a ton of Tim Tams. Thanks

Thylacine? What thylacine? They're all dead.

[Son of a Beach]

Yes, what is with the bald patch on the leg? Looks like it's just been to the vet.

[ILUVSWTAS]

That was what made me think it was a dog Nik.

[Son of a Beach]

You don't think the vet would see a thylacine? I guess it would be hard to find a vet with the right experience.

[ILUVSWTAS]

.........

you been drinking tonight Nik??

[north-north-west]

It's only a spot where the whatever's been wounded. A healing bite, for instance, would look just like that.

[geoskid]

Truth Geo? I really dont know.
Id LOVE to think it was real but well... photoshop does some amazing things. Where the pic came from I wont say publically....

Well privately then. Thing that gets me is why all the privacy?
Liamy77 - where did your Dads very important photo disapear to?
Surely, before a species is declared Extinct (never ever coming back), there is a rigorous process involved.
Or am I just being a Dodo?
Why is it that humans find it so hard to believe that we have, and are causing, other species to become extinct?

[north-north-west]

Actually, it's a very simple process. If there is no good scientific evidence confirming a sighting for 50 years, the species is officially extinct.

And it's not that we find it hard to believe. I know it has happened a lot and is continuing to happen. It's just that with the thylacine almost everyone doesn't want it to be true. The animal has a strange mystique about it.

[whiskeylover]

Photo looks like a numbat. Either way it is not definitive enough to prove anything.
Pity nobody happens to have their camera handy when the thylacine makes an appearance. From all reports before they were claimed to be extinct they were very shy anyway. Even the infra red cameras never captured a good image though.
Notice still no outright claims from anyone that they might have seen one.

[ILUVSWTAS]

People get laughed at if they say things like that whiskeylover!! your seemed like a dimwit, AH ITS A DOG, A CAT, A FOX a SOMETHING! Just not a tiger

Geo, Adam put a link up about the photo if you want to go ack through the thread.

[stepbystep]

Notice still no outright claims from anyone that they might have seen one.

These people have http://www.tasmanian-tiger.com/thylafiles.html
I have also interviewed the couple that run this site, they are convincing and don't give a rats what anyone thinks of them.
If only.......

[tasadam]

Notice still no outright claims from anyone that they might have seen one.

These people have http://www.tasmanian-tiger.com/thylafiles.html

We further contend that the Thylacine may still exist in areas contiguous to the Panama Forest. We therefore believe that all logging and clear felling of the Thylacine's natural habitat should immediately cease.

Therein lies the problem - adding that immediately makes it look like another anti-forestry campaign which is a shame because I'm sure it isn't intended to be.

[Nuts]

Seems to have the head of a Platypus (or none at all) ?, this is interesting!

[stepbystep]

Therein lies the problem - adding that immediately makes it look like another anti-forestry campaign which is a shame because I'm sure it isn't intended to be.

Agreed, but as I said, they don't give a rats, they believe what they see and think and that's it.....a matter of faith, funny how we can believe in immaculate conception but the idea of a surviving Thylacine, too much of a stretch there...... now don't get me started on UFO's

[Ent]

Humans are rather unreliable witnesses with our desire to believe or disbelieve often over-ruling our powers of observations. Amazing how the sea creatures from acient times have not appeared nowadays. Still there are some pretty impressive squids around and whale is in impressive site but not the many headed creatures of the acient times. Read an interesting article once on what the crew saw verses the first science officers of Royal Navy ships in the 1750's to 1820's. Them demons were classified as water spouts. The interesting things was what the capitan saw. Many matched the science officer's report but more than a few sided with the crew.

Even if a few Tigers remain the breading pool might be too shallow to substain them long term. Be even sadder watching them become slowly and surely extinict before our eyes or maybe a rerun of Ouse

Cheers Brett