Ul pot descisions.

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Ul pot descisions.

Postby icefest » Fri 11 Oct, 2013 11:58 pm

I'm looking at getting a new pot and wouldn't mind some advice.

I have several choices.

#1 (82g)
-----850ml ti pot with CF lid from RutaLocura (identical to the MLD pot)
Pro
---Lighter
Cons
---Single person, fuel inefficient

#2 (130g)
-----1300ml ti pot with ti lid from Evernew
Pro
---possible 2p, fuel efficient, non burn handles
con
---50g heavier


#3 (~100g)
---evernew pot with foil lid or custom CF lid
No idea whom to ask for a custom lid.
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Re: Ul pot descisions.

Postby Mark F » Sat 12 Oct, 2013 10:52 am

I find a 900ml pot is adequate for 2 but 1300ml seems to be the preferred size. I modded my 900ml Evernew ECA265 by replacing the handles with a bale handle saving 17 g and made a lid from reflectix which only weighs 3 g and fits in the rim lip. The pot now weighs 69 g or 93 g with pot cosy. The reflectix lid is remarkably durable having survived 30 odd days and easily and cheaply replaceable. You need to cut it about 5mm larger diameter than the inside of the lip as it will shrink slightly after the first couple of uses. It also acts as the top of the cosy.

The same mods are possible with the Evernew ECA253 1300ml and many other Evernew models. It works best with pots that have a lip to support the lid. I will post a photo later.
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Re: Ul pot descisions.

Postby Joomy » Mon 14 Oct, 2013 9:34 pm

Not sure why but my GF and I can barely make do with a 2L pot for meals, but if 1.3L works for you then +50g isn't much really and yeah you can reduce that margin with lid mods.
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Re: Ul pot descisions.

Postby Orion » Tue 15 Oct, 2013 3:43 am

I'm the same way, a 2 liter pot is what we use. A 900ml or even 1.3L pot would necessitate cooking differently.

A little heavier maybe? My 2L aluminum pot weighs 120g with a foil lid, although it also requires a pot grabber.
I haven't seen a 2L pot that is significantly lighter but then I haven't looked for one recently.

For solo cooking I use a 700ml aluminum pot that weighs 28g with a foil lid, no grabber required.
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Re: Ul pot descisions.

Postby Supertramp » Tue 15 Oct, 2013 5:45 pm

Orion wrote:For solo cooking I use a 700ml aluminum pot that weighs 28g with a foil lid, no grabber required.


I've never found anything that comes close to that weight.
What brand & where can I get one?
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Re: Ul pot descisions.

Postby forest » Tue 15 Oct, 2013 6:48 pm

Supertramp wrote:
Orion wrote:For solo cooking I use a 700ml aluminum pot that weighs 28g with a foil lid, no grabber required.


I've never found anything that comes close to that weight.
What brand & where can I get one?


Might be a beer or fosters can job, That's the only thing I have seen that's close in weight to 28g. Would be pretty flimsy though.

Icefest I'd think hard about what stove combo you will use this new pot with.
I've always matched my pot to a cook set that fits in it. Also I have a preference to low wide pots now as I find them more efficient with a wide base to accept the flame / heat.
Currently I have a 900ml Evernew Ti pot with a trail designs caldera cone sidewinder cook set. It's pretty compact. The 1300ml set wouldn't be much bigger and would be a better option for 2 people IMO as a minimium size.
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Re: Ul pot descisions.

Postby andrewa » Tue 15 Oct, 2013 8:18 pm

I think you need a pot for various situations...

I have an Evernew 1300ml pot when there are 2 of us. I have a 7-800ml pot for solo trips, and I have a 2000ml billy for when there are 3-4 of us. I have 4 kids, 12-22 yo. We travel in various combinations. We therefore have gear to suit as many combinations as practical. I think the ideal pot needs to suit your position in life. My current position requires lots of gear, although I'm wrapped that 5/6 of us can wear the same telemark boots!

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Re: Ul pot descisions.

Postby Orion » Wed 16 Oct, 2013 3:15 am

forest wrote:Might be a beer or fosters can job, That's the only thing I have seen that's close in weight to 28g. Would be pretty flimsy though.

Icefest I'd think hard about what stove combo you will use this new pot with.

Yes, it's a 71 cl Heineken beer can with the lid cut off.

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Here are some additional ideas like this: http://zenstoves.net/CanPots.htm

Flimsy? I guess, but I don't use it for melting snow and it's tough enough in the pack as long as I don't stomp on it. If you want flimsy check out the aluminum foil pot on the zenstoves website. I find 700ml is a little too small for some meals and it's hard to clean if little bits stick to the bottom so I mostly just use it for heating water. For a while I was also using it as a drinking cup with silicone "hot lips" and silicone for a place to hold it, but now I carry a seperate plastic cup for food/drink. The original lid is nicer than foil although it weighs a tiny bit more (8g).

I'd love to have a similarly flimsy aluminum pot with a wider aspect ratio but nobody makes one. Why doesn't one of the UL gear manufacturers sell a pot like that? Is it because titanium is more profitable?

A side burning metho stove isn't appropriate for the Heineken can because the base is too narrow. The can requires a more concentrated flame and not too high a heat for efficiency. The SnowPeak burner pictured above works well and I imagine various metho stoves would as well.
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Re: Ul pot descisions.

Postby Strider » Wed 16 Oct, 2013 7:01 am

forest wrote:
Supertramp wrote:
Orion wrote:For solo cooking I use a 700ml aluminum pot that weighs 28g with a foil lid, no grabber required.


I've never found anything that comes close to that weight.
What brand & where can I get one?


Might be a beer or fosters can job

Are you suggesting that Fosters isn't beer? :lol:
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Re: Ul pot descisions.

Postby GPSGuided » Wed 16 Oct, 2013 8:55 am

It's so annoying to source Ti cookwares. None of the value models sold in the US can be mail-ordered from here. The ones that can be ordered are just about price matched by local offering of bigger brands.
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Re: Ul pot descisions.

Postby Joomy » Sat 26 Oct, 2013 5:16 pm

UOG have a good range of Evernew and you get VAT off plus cheap shipping generally.
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