jakeyarwood wrote:I assume the minimum number of stakes to set the shelter up is much higher than a regular mid too. Perhaps double the amount? Then consider the extra stake weight for any panel pull tie outs you wish to use. If you're going to be using this in snowy conditions then those snow stakes/anchors add up the grams pretty fast (typical titanium snow stakes are about 18 grams each [via dutchware]).
The Apollo has 9 ground level tie-outs, and 4 mid-panel tie-outs. That's pretty much the same as any 4-sided mid.
On a philosophical note, I think it is wrong to include weights of tent pegs and guy lines when comparing shelters. As an example, imagine shelter X and shelter Y both weigh the same without guy lines and pegs, have identical geometry and construction, and both require a minimum of 4 pegs to pitch. But shelter X can take a total of 10 pegs, while shelter Y has enough tie-outs to take 26. I'd choose shelter Y any day of the week. Take 4-8 light pegs on lowland sheltered trips, and 26 (+spares) burly pegs if I plan to pitch on an exposed ridge in the Main Range.
By the way, CTF3 is the 0.51 oz/sq.yd stuff. Will need a little bit more care when handling than the 0.75 weight fabric MLD and HMG use.