Eco-Phantom-Light

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Eco-Phantom-Light

Postby Neo » Sat 10 Nov, 2018 6:02 pm

Weekend musings, I propose a new category to the global bushwalking/tramping/trekking/hiking community. Not really a new thing... Neo-paleo perhaps.

Eco-Phantom-light, being a sub 1001g base weight.

Close to living off the land, be it nature or bin diving!

A complete kit may include:

Pocket knife;
Water bottle;
PLB;
Snake bandage;
Wear suitable night layers and carry over the shoulder during the day;
Length of rope;
Map & compass (optional);
Carry bag or sac (optional).

So you just walk, find shelter, water & food


Disclaimer: do try this at home first!
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Re: Phantom-light

Postby Mark F » Sat 10 Nov, 2018 6:42 pm

This reads like really ultra-light bushcraft. It ultimately depends on damaging the environment to provide bedding, food and possibly shelter. Certainly something I won't be pursuing.
"Perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to remove".
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Re: Phantom-light

Postby Neo » Sat 10 Nov, 2018 6:57 pm

Bushcraft may be considered damaging, especially in our over populated world. I was thinking more of camp caves, log hollows etc as shelter for a night.

Topic title amended!
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Re: Eco-Phantom-Light

Postby Neo » Sat 10 Nov, 2018 7:00 pm

I'll add this for reference and clarification of the proposal:

http://www.lnt.org.au
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Re: Eco-Phantom-Light

Postby crollsurf » Sat 10 Nov, 2018 7:38 pm

You could go lower and still bring your own shelter and quilt. Here is a list that includes a 10C quilt weighing in at 876g:

S2S ultra sil daypack 72g
Ocean Signal PLB! 116g
Petzel eLITE 26g
Zpacks Pocket Tarp 109g
Polycryo Ground sheet 46g
Locus gear Onda mat cut down 160g
EE Enigma 10C 270g
Water bottle 500ml 10g
Evennew 400ml Cup 50g
Exotec nanoSpark 17g

Still got 125gs for some luxury items!
I guess you could live off the land in some places but you'd get pretty bored of eating RTA Grass (Lomandra longifolia) pretty quickly around my way
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Re: Eco-Phantom-Light

Postby Neo » Sat 10 Nov, 2018 7:55 pm

Like it! crollsurf

The Aussie indigenous were migratory, food in season in different places.
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Re: Eco-Phantom-Light

Postby PedalRoll » Mon 12 Nov, 2018 9:10 am

That kit is perfect Croll.

Those s2s packs actually carry ok with a bit of weight in them. I’ve been using one as a shopping bag for a bit. With the pad as a back panel it would be luxurious.

I’ve got mostly similar items to that list already. Might do an Eco-phantom overnighter. Everyone already thinks I’m weird enough carrying my “school bag” around.
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Re: Eco-Phantom-Light

Postby Neo » Mon 12 Nov, 2018 12:14 pm

Probably wise to include some mini first aid items too, like an all-purpose wound disinfectant.
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Re: Eco-Phantom-Light

Postby Moondog55 » Wed 05 Dec, 2018 3:58 pm

Neo wrote:Probably wise to include some mini first aid items too, like an all-purpose wound disinfectant.


Not needed if you have a full bladder
Ve are too soon old und too late schmart
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Re: Eco-Phantom-Light

Postby andrewa » Wed 05 Dec, 2018 9:09 pm

My nephew has done this for years - they call it “belt camping” - ie what you can carry on your belt.

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