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Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov, 2019 4:58 pm
by Neo
So im third time unlucky with a Nemo tensor short air mat. Two warranty replacements for seperate issues, the third now goes down slowly.
I havent searched for a leak but suspect the valve is dodgey like the second one (none were the new flat valve model).

Should I now fork out for a genuine short neoair, or buy a paddock-basher for the same price? Or a comfy ewe.

Maybe I should harden up and sleep on 2mm ccf, rake up some leaves to save weight..?

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov, 2019 6:38 pm
by QueenLucyVanPelt
I'm all for the 2mm ccf and leaves. Count those ounces!!

But in all seriousness, I've had great success with my Neoair xlite (womens). I thru-hiked with it in 2017 and only busted it after about 2000 miles. It was only a tiny puncture somewhere on it; nothing to do with the valve area. Thermarest replaced the entire mattress for me, brand new, through their warranty program. My newer one hasn't began to leak, yet, and I've used it on some rough, stealthy surfaces racking up about 400 mile. Fingers crossed!

If you are wanting to save weight even more, look into the uberlite. It's a different material and weighs about 4 ounces less than the womens Xlite, but you sacrifice temperature. It's a lot colder to sleep on, but certainly packs down a lot smaller, too.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov, 2019 6:42 pm
by Neo
Cheers QLVP

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov, 2019 7:00 pm
by Lamont

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov, 2019 7:28 pm
by Neo
Yeah but nah, I like about 7cm of syntheric atmspheric holding insulated air between me and the earth mutha for a good nights rest.
(bladder calls excluded)

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov, 2019 8:13 pm
by crollsurf
Love my Large Neo Xlite. Doesn't quite handle snow so maybe the Xtherm if you do a bit of that or sleep cold. They're also noisy so not great unless solo.

Got a short version as well which is only about 50g lighter and I don't think is worth the weight saving. Depends on your system but I use my pack as a pillow so have nothing else to keep my feet off the ground, which isn't a problem if the ground is warm.

If you're buying Thermarest here, the prices are extortionate, so you need to buy OS.



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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov, 2019 8:40 pm
by Mark F
If considering the Neo XLite short it is worthwhile adding the Neo XLite Womens to the choice. Better R rating 3.9 vs 3.2, and longer 168cm vs 119cm but at the cost of a 120g. When I was playing around with mats it certainly was for me a step up in comfort (80kg and 180cm) although I have finally moved to a wider mat the S2S XT Womens Large (R 4.2, 183 x 64 x 10). Once you get around R 4 the addition of a thin foam mat pushes the system to a level for snow.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov, 2019 10:20 am
by threshold
I found neoair mattresses really uncomfortable.. Much prefer the s2s ultralights. Just my 2c.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov, 2019 10:52 am
by philm
Yes agree the SToS Etherlite insulated is a great mat and a lot more comfortable and only a little heavier than the Neoair

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov, 2019 1:05 pm
by GregR
Neo, I've had my Neoair for 7 years and love it. Warm comfortable and never had a leak. I probably spend 20 nights a year on it worth every penny in my book.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov, 2019 1:44 pm
by scoha
Took my new neoAir Xlite to the Pyrennees this year for the HRP - one of the best bits of gear on my back! So comfortable!! Get one.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Sun 03 Nov, 2019 4:34 pm
by Neo
Thanks for all the input folks!

I slept soundly on 4mm last night, but that was thanks to a long week, grassy, not having walked and too much red wine.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Sun 03 Nov, 2019 6:10 pm
by fixa
threshold wrote:I found neoair mattresses really uncomfortable.. Much prefer the s2s ultralights. Just my 2c.


I'm the same, but haven't found anyone else that shares that view! I also have a Big Agnes insulated mat which is so comfy, tried the neoair and just didn't like it.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Sun 03 Nov, 2019 8:41 pm
by Ms_Mudd
Neo wrote:Thanks for all the input folks!

I slept soundly on 4mm last night, but that was thanks to a long week, grassy, not having walked and too much red wine.


I can comfortable sleep on bathroom tiles after too much red wine :wink:

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Mon 11 Nov, 2019 8:30 pm
by Neo
Found a leak in the Nemo. Could hear it, on the underside so my fault not the mat.

Have decided to harden up and get used to sleeping with no mat in summer. With luxury pilow though :)

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Mon 11 Nov, 2019 9:02 pm
by wallwombat
Neo wrote:Found a leak in the Nemo. Could hear it, on the underside so my fault not the mat.

Have decided to harden up and get used to sleeping with no mat in summer.......:)


I can't think of one good reason to ever willingly do that.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Mon 11 Nov, 2019 11:37 pm
by CasualNerd
If you're interested in a very lightly used short neoair xlite, I was thinking about selling. Only used for a couple of nights but I'd rather carry the extra weight for a full length mat.

PM me if interested anyway !

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Tue 19 Nov, 2019 3:15 pm
by Neo
I may get the Thermarest one day but they need to fix their stocks. Too hard to find a short one in Australia.

Have bought a Sea to Summit ultralight in yellow. Didn't realise they made a short one and it was on the shelf, reduced for $112.

A little longer, heavier and thinner at 5cm but it does the job quite well. Not as comfy as the nemo or an Exped but much better than 4mm!

Also the 40D material feels quite robust. Why don't they make air mattresses thicker on the underside and UL on top?

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Tue 19 Nov, 2019 7:53 pm
by wildwanderer
Neo wrote: Why don't they make air mattresses thicker on the underside and UL on top?

I've damaged a few top sides in the past. Needle thin twigs etc get caught in clothing/sleeping bags then rolled on top of at night.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Tue 19 Nov, 2019 8:05 pm
by ribuck
I've had two mattress punctures, and both were on the top.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 21 Feb, 2020 8:38 pm
by Birdman
I have both the NeoAir Xlite and the NeoAir XTherm. The Xlite is usually sufficient. I used it at down to -4°C and it was sufficiently warm (just). However, if I had money for just one, I would get the XTherm. You'll never be cold. I used that on the PCT and it was great.

I have had punctures with the Xlite, but never catastrophic ones that couldn't be compensated with a few short puffs when it started sagging during the night. When I tested it back home in my bathtub, I discovered 4 tiny punctures, 2 of which were on welds. Failing welds are covered by their life-long warranty, so I got a brand new replacement.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Sun 23 Feb, 2020 2:25 pm
by Tino B
Thermarest has just updated the xlite and xtherm range so sites like Backcountry.com have the old models on heavy discount. Might be worth buying and using a mail forwarding service, even with the low AUD.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Wed 01 Apr, 2020 11:11 am
by matchhead
I got the updated Xtherm from backcountry.com a few months ago and got it shipped to AUS. ~$360ish all up including forwarding service. Best slept I've had out in the field.

Considering we spend a third of the time in the bush on the ground sleeping, highly recommend getting a good quality sleeping pad/mattress. Useful at home for extra visitors too if stretched.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Wed 01 Apr, 2020 2:12 pm
by Moondog55
I thought people were boycotting that store because of the *&%$#! act of trying to copyright and trademark Backcountry for their exclusive use

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 19 Jun, 2020 9:55 am
by Huntsman247
So I just got an xtherm... Boy it's crinkly...
Comfy though. Has anybody had any success in reducing the crinklyness of the xtherm? Does it quieten down over use?

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 19 Jun, 2020 10:05 am
by Zapruda
Huntsman247 wrote:So I just got an xtherm... Boy it's crinkly...
Comfy though. Has anybody had any success in reducing the crinklyness of the xtherm? Does it quieten down over use?


I have both the xtherm and xlite

The crinkle does goes away. Roll it about 20 times at home to expedite the process.

I tend to blow my pads up rock hard so the crinkle is never a problem.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 19 Jun, 2020 10:23 am
by Huntsman247
Good to know Zapruda. Give that a go.

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 19 Jun, 2020 11:44 am
by north-north-west
Huntsman247 wrote:So I just got an xtherm... Boy it's crinkly...
Comfy though. Has anybody had any success in reducing the crinklyness of the xtherm? Does it quieten down over use?

I have never heard a thing from any of my Thermarest mats. Of course, it's been quite a few years since I have been able to hear anything at all. Maybe you just need a good dose of deafness?

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 19 Jun, 2020 12:53 pm
by Petew
north-north-west wrote:
Huntsman247 wrote:So I just got an xtherm... Boy it's crinkly...
Comfy though. Has anybody had any success in reducing the crinklyness of the xtherm? Does it quieten down over use?

I have never heard a thing from any of my Thermarest mats. Of course, it's been quite a few years since I have been able to hear anything at all. Maybe you just need a good dose of deafness?


I am deaf in one ear, very handy. Just sleep with deaf ear up if it's noisy...

Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

PostPosted: Fri 19 Jun, 2020 2:00 pm
by Kott
After using S2S mats for a long time, i took the plunge and got the Xlite from another user from this site. I was worried about the noise too because I'm reasonably light sleeper. But no such fears. Its crinkly for sure but I'd say its the same if not better than S2S when you blow it up properly. I do think their valves are crap compared to other brands - just takes sooo long to blow up but then again its not really a problem and makes you fitter :D