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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby Ms_Mudd » Wed 17 Feb, 2021 10:45 am

Very impressive space indeed, plenty enough for this 5' dummy ;-)
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby Ms_Mudd » Sun 14 Mar, 2021 2:22 pm

Crollsurf how goes it for your new DCF palace?
I know you used the silnylon version extensively.

Adore my Xmid, but for Summer/Spring etc 300g less in my pack the Protrail could be an interesting proposition to consider. Have only had one single wall tent though, an original TT moment. I wasn't a silnylon fan, felt slimy ;-)
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby Ms_Mudd » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 8:32 am

Blimey. Or should that be Cowabunga?

I pulled the trigger on a blemished Protrail Li.
I have had dealings with Henry before when I purchased an original TT Moment singlewall, without knowing me, he sent me the additional tie outs to be sewn to the long panels as they were not on the original. I have faith that his warranty on a blemished tent will be honoured so feel confident in its purchase.

Plus the exchange rate wasn't too shabby, plus I had some money that came to me that did not really exist in the first place, plus I like the idea of sleeping under a tarp in appropriate seasons but am terrified of leeches, funnel webs and even mozzies eating me alive, the Protrail is as close as I will come to sleeping under a tarp for me. Plus I had looked at XMid fly only with a bugnet bivvy, but even the lightest I could find from Borah didn't really save me enough weight to be seriously bothered with. Enough pluses to justify my extravagant purchase?!
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby Lamont » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 8:42 am

Ms_Mudd wrote:Blimey. Or should that be Cowabunga?

I pulled the trigger on a blemished Protrail Li.
I have had dealings with Henry before when I purchased an original TT Moment singlewall, without knowing me, he sent me the additional tie outs to be sewn to the long panels as they were not on the original. I have faith that his warranty on a blemished tent will be honoured so feel confident in its purchase.

Plus the exchange rate wasn't too shabby, plus I had some money that came to me that did not really exist in the first place, plus I like the idea of sleeping under a tarp in appropriate seasons but am terrified of leeches, funnel webs and even mozzies eating me alive, the Protrail is as close as I will come to sleeping under a tarp for me. Plus I had looked at XMid fly only with a bugnet bivvy, but even the lightest I could find from Borah didn't really save me enough weight to be seriously bothered with. Enough pluses to justify my extravagant purchase?!

Good on you Muddy! You accidental (I don't quite believe it tho') ultralighter you!
I think you made an excellent choice! As to how you managed to conjure up money that didn't really exist in the first place -whack-o I'm speechle



Oh ......and Cowabunga .......and I'm throwing you a positive 'shaka' too!
Looking forward to a pic.
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby Ms_Mudd » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 8:55 am

Lamont wrote:
Ms_Mudd wrote:

Good on you Muddy! You accidental (I don't quite believe it tho') ultralighter you!


It must be the influence of the company I keep around here. Accidental UL'er, now definitely turning intentional :lol:

Shaka shaka!
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby crollsurf » Sat 20 Mar, 2021 9:23 am

Congratulations fellow Protrailer :) I haven't had a chance to use mine much lately but I reckon the Chinese build quality is as good as before. The DCF and other little updates I like, especially having no morning sag. Some people don't like the front entry but it really isn't hard to get into and you'll love the extra space around your head. Not just for reading and doing stuff, there's less chance of condensation from your breath and you can see the stars at night. In fact the DCF is so translucent you can almost see the stars through the material, definitely the moon.

I'm the same as you Muddy with Tarps, getting bitten at night and not knowing what it was, isn't what I call fun. My tarp, net and ground sheet weighed ~80g less than the Protrail but the faffing around to set it up and getting everything right is a pain. Protrail is simple easy, no worries and way more comfortable.

I did sell off some old tents and stuff too to justify the purchase. Unless it rips apart or something, this may well be my last hiking tent. I'll look after it and patch it, sew it, whatever.
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby Franco » Sat 20 Mar, 2021 12:53 pm

The company that makes the DCF and some silnylon TT tents also makes tents for several of the best known brands .
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby Ms_Mudd » Sat 20 Mar, 2021 7:51 pm

Thanks for the reply, Crollsurf and Franco.

Glad you are liking yours Crolly. Thank you for welcoming me to the Protrail Li club!

The only bit of dcf I own at the moment is a wee stuff sack for my electronics. I look forward to seeing how it goes in a shelter.
Do you find you can mostly just shake the moisture off in the mornings before take down, or do you need to do more of a dedicated wipe? With my Xmid if raining on pack up, I always take out my inner, dry the floor a bit and pack it separately, imagine single wall wet weather camping will take a bit more skill and finesse.

I look forward to moongazing from the comfort of my sleeping bag, I can only imagine the whole sleeping experience inside will feel very roomy and non restrictive. I hope it works out that in good weather I can leave the front and rear undone too.

Cannot wait for it to arrive, am extremely time poor until the end of the month, but can manage an overnighter in my front yard at least.
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby crollsurf » Sun 21 Mar, 2021 10:59 am

Ms_Mudd wrote:Do you find you can mostly just shake the moisture off in the mornings before take down, or do you need to do more of a dedicated wipe?

Believe it or not, the 4 times I've used the new Li, I've had zero condensation! (due to weather and location) But from my experience with the old Protrail: If you setup the tent from the foot end first and let the front blow out, the front is facing away from the wind and rain. So even when its raining, I'll sleep with the front open. I can only think of a single occasion I've slept with the door closed in my old Protrail (50+ nights) and that was because the front ended up facing into the wind and rain... and the condensation was bad.

The Protrail Li has a zippered door which provides more ventilation control, meaning you should be able to find a better balance between weather protection and condensation.

Still, even with the front open, you do get some condensation most mornings, I wipe down the inside, then give it a good shake when packing it away. I also fold and roll, so the bottom of the floor is on the outside. Sometimes I'll pull it out at lunch to dry out but I normally don't bother. :)
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby Ms_Mudd » Thu 25 Mar, 2021 8:14 am

Thanks for the reply Crollsurf. I suspect moisture management will be another learning curve for me, I did ok with my single wall TT Moment, I just didn't use it a whole heap as I didn't like the tent being so close to my face, it made me feel claustrophobic.

I am nail biting at the moment, it cleared customs in Sydney and then went to Melbourne (?!!!) and hasn't been scanned since. I live in the Hunter Valley, so it should not have gone for a jaunt interstate.
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby Ms_Mudd » Fri 02 Apr, 2021 4:56 pm

After taking 7 days to go from Sydney to Newcastle sorting centres, my Protrail finally arrived. Am sitting in it now in my front yard.

Initial impressions- came out to 500g neat with supplied stakes, repair tape and printed instructions.

Pitch was eassssy. Its a bit breezy but got it up fine. Think getting bath tub floor just so will the me some more practice, but definitely a good pitch straight up.
Was worried vestibule would feel cramped after being used to the amazing space in the xmid, but it feels roomy and I can easily sit up and cook and suspect I will come to relish laying on my belly cooking and drinking my morning brew. It is one of my life's great joys (not exaggerating here!) to have coffee/brekky in bed while out walking.
It is so light and airy and I have acres of room in it. 5ft 1, size 8-10 female for reference.

Can't wait to spend some time with it on some adventures and see how it is to live with on a day to day basis.
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li1

Postby Watertank » Fri 02 Apr, 2021 5:00 pm

Looking forward reading about your adventures. I know the delight that comes from being in a new tent, or any tent, and it doesn’t matter if it is pitched in the yard! Enjoy
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby Ms_Mudd » Fri 02 Apr, 2021 5:47 pm

Thanks Watertank!
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Re: Tarptent proTrail Li

Postby crollsurf » Mon 05 Apr, 2021 3:04 pm

Woohoo Muddy. You're going to love it once you get used to it. A few things I've learnt:
Leave the back storm flaps open as much as possible to reduce condensation, same with the front.
Once setup properly and your using an adjustable front pole, you can angle the pole off to the right to make getting in and out easier. You can reset when you retire at night or just leave as is if the weather is fine.
I carry an extra peg and always guy out the front peak
I also carry 2 extra pegs for the other side tie outs incase it's windy or the site isn't ideal.
While folding/rolling tearing down your tent, put the bag in your pocket so it doesn't blow away.

I leave very little out in the vestibule, cooking, water, maybe shoes, sometimes my pack. If you're going to cook in there, you might want to have a sharp knife at hand, so if things go pear shaped, you can escape through the back of the tent :lol: :lol:
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