Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

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Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby gbagua » Sun 14 Mar, 2021 8:35 am

For anyone who has hiked this trail in UL mode which ones would you recommend me?

Could you please include links to where to purchase them from and not sold out!

Many thanks :)
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby kelvinn » Sun 14 Mar, 2021 11:00 am

I am not aware of anything particularly special about the Larapinta that would dictate any one stove over another.

/r/ultralight probably has 100 threads on this. I think the two most popular recommendations would be

* BRS-3000t: light, inexpensive, and so-so build quality
* SOTO Amicus: light(ish), reasonably priced, and great build quality

I have an almost 20 year old MSR Pocket Rocket, and when it dies, I would be getting the Amicus. You can get them from Amazon, or https://www.bikebug.com/soto-amicus-sto ... niter.html
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby gbagua » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 5:34 am

Yes thanks but I was thinking of a cookware set which includes the stove, pot to cook from and a plate/bowl to eat the food from. Titanium as being the lightest option.
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby Warin » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 7:21 am

light weight = no plate/bowl. Eat from the pot, less to clean, less work, less weight. less=more.
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby stry » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 7:30 am

There is also the Fire Maple 300T from which the dreaded BRS was copied.

The FM is about 10g heavier than the BRS but reputedly does not have the quality problem of the copy. My FM has been fine - sample of one :) .
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby Moondog55 » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 8:00 am

The FireMaple Wasp is a much better stove than the BRS , sample of 2 here.
I do however consider them only suitable for emergency use stoves and much prefer the stability of remote units.
But then I do consider anything smaller than 1500ml a cup
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby gbagua » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 8:21 am

Ah yeah, indeed. Only stove + pot.

Is the titanium made FM Wasp ordered through Amazon?

https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Maple-FMS-3 ... B07DVKZ6W2

I'd need only a pot. Any cheap light ones you could recommend?

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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby Moondog55 » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 8:36 am

I have a lot of pots etc. I use the cheap ones from the Aldi Easter sale the most and reserve my UL Titanium pots and small Aluminium billy for my winter emergency kits.
I got all my Fire Maple stoves via Ali Express store during the last big sale about 3 years ago
I really prefer my remote stove for the safety of the extra stability
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000285 ... web201603_
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3278735 ... web201603_
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby johnrs » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 9:28 am

Yes Moondog
The Fire Maple FMS-117H Upgraded is an absolute cracker of a stove!
And good in cold cold too.
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby Moondog55 » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 9:43 am

I do have the ones with the preheat tube so I gave the wrong link.
A few years ago they were about $50-AUD posted so I bought a spare. I had money a few years back
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby EGM » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 11:14 am

It's not the absolute lightest set up but if you're looking for all in one on a budget the trangia Mini is worth a look. I haven't used that pot set myself but once you include fuel weight it will be similar to gas alternatives.

My 2 cents on the brs, haven't had any issues with mine but it's only good for boiling and I wouldn't put more than a litre or so on it ideally.
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby ChrisJHC » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 11:31 am

My complete cooking and eating system for two weeks on the Larapinta:
# Tuna can stove
# Metho and lighter (typically carried max 300mL of metho and resupplied at the food drop-offs)
# Titanium mug and spoon

Disclaimer: the only “cooking” I do is to boil water for either coffee or dehydrated meals.

Doesn’t come much lighter, cheaper or less complicated.

I did see a study somewhere (probably from the US) that showed that alcohol stove systems tend to be lighter overall for longer duration hikes. The big difference is that you can take the exact amount of fuel that you need rather than having to take a whole number of gas canisters.

Downside: people are worried that it takes a few minutes longer to boil water. I don’t care as, when I’m ready for a brew or a hot meal I’m never in that much of a hurry.
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby stry » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 11:59 am

gbagua wrote:Ah yeah, indeed. Only stove + pot.

Is the titanium made FM Wasp ordered through Amazon?

https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Maple-FMS-3 ... B07DVKZ6W2

I'd need only a pot. Any cheap light ones you could recommend?

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That's the stove mentioned. Available from various sources. Excellent for your planned usage, but the narrow flame, combined with Ti cookware makes for a touchy sod to actually cook on without burnt spots in the meal. I don't bother with anything except freeze dried meals, but I like to cook them up a bit in the pot and not just sit 'em in a bag. The cooking up with the 300T requires a high level of vigilance to avoid burning.

If you wanted at any future time to move beyond simple boiling, I would expect the wider burner heads of the stoves linked by MD to be superior.
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby johnrs » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 2:23 pm

And here is something similar to the Soto stove, also from Firemaple
https://firemaplegear.com/collections/c ... ator-stove
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby Moondog55 » Mon 15 Mar, 2021 4:15 pm

There is nothing stopping people [ even UL/Nanolite people] from taking both a little gas stove and a cat stove and using a cat stove or similar if they want to simmer something. The weight penalty of the 18 grams cat food tin might be well offset by the weight saving of that second empty fuel canister
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby gbagua » Tue 16 Mar, 2021 7:32 am

Thanks guys.

I'll settle with the Soto Amicus stove.

1. Any recommendations for a titanium pot?

2. What fuel canisters do you use for the Soto stove?

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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby Moondog55 » Tue 16 Mar, 2021 7:54 am

If flying into The Alice before walking the Larapinta you'll be restricted to whatever brand and size of canister is stocked in town.
Having owned Titanium cups and pots I actually see very little weight advantage in them in solo sizes, my small aluminium billy is a few grams lighter that the same volume TOAKS pot, if I had to make a single recommendation it would be for the MSR Titan kettle but it's more a coffee cup size than a real pot, the TOAKS equivalent is a tad heavier and a bit cheaper
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby gbagua » Tue 16 Mar, 2021 8:48 am

Thanks Moondog55,

Which capacity would you suggest to prepare ONE DEHYDRATED MEAL per day. The only time I'll use the damn thing! :mrgreen:
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby Moondog55 » Tue 16 Mar, 2021 9:57 am

No morning coffee?
My position has always been that it's much better to have too much pot than just enough or too little.
1200 to 1500ml is what I use most often
I have these
https://www.backpackinglight.com.au/toa ... 600ml.html
https://www.backpackinglight.com.au/toa ... 300ml.html
https://www.backpackinglight.com.au/toa ... 100ml.html
While capacities aren't hugely different for some reason I prefer the bigger 1600ml pot. Bought both on this forum S/H but purchased the 1100ml cup direct from California before the GST impost. I usually only fill to half capacity but I need a bigger pot for snow melting in winter and the winter needs colours my decision making over all seasons.
But what I usually carry is the inner small pot from the ALDI set
ALDI pot 1500ml and 1100ml usable 230 grams with the lid [ heavy plastic knob weighs 8 grams]
TOAKS 1600ml and 1200 usable 200 grams
Things burn in the Titanium pot, personally I think they are only good for boiling water or melting snow
The bigger pot sizes fit the larger 230g gas canister and my FireMaple 117T
The Titan kettle from MSR and the TOAKS 1100ml only fit the smaller 110g canister and the Wasp stove and despite stated capacities of the smaller units they are functional equivalents and interchangeable in my kits.
No experience with any other gear except the S2S Alpha pot and those are OK
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby Eremophila » Tue 16 Mar, 2021 12:46 pm

Take one small gas canister and put another one in your food drop at Ellery, if you're doing a food drop. You probably won't need it but it's peace of mind. You can purchase them in Alice Springs from Lone Dingo or Desert Dwellers.

Otherwise the food drop rooms are usually full of discarded half-empty canisters.
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby stry » Tue 16 Mar, 2021 6:38 pm

I've tried various Toaks and Evernew pots, but keep coming back to my MSR Titan 850mil. The diameter is perfect for a 230g canister, but the lid won't go on :lol: The pot is wider and shallower than many, which increases stability and exposes a greater area to the heat source, and this suits me.

Although I use this for solo only, anything smaller just doesn't seem to work. Pots must have excess space or the contents spill and slop around too easily - very user unfriendly. :(
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby gbagua » Wed 17 Mar, 2021 9:39 am

230g. Way too heavy for me considering there sub-100g of pots out there.

I'll go for a 90g Toaks. 115mm diameter. Enough for a simple warm meal. Don't need a paella! :mrgreen:
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby Eremophila » Wed 17 Mar, 2021 10:06 am

I think the 230g refers to the gas canister.

Pot itself is 118g: https://www.wildearth.com.au/buy/msr-ti ... gJZlvD_BwE
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby Petew » Wed 17 Mar, 2021 2:34 pm

I use a soto windmaster with an evernew pasta pot (small) and a 100g cannister. All fits in the pot. I don't bother with a bowl usually (eat from packet) and lightweight polycarbonate cup for drinks. I just boil water with the stove though.
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby gbagua » Thu 18 Mar, 2021 9:27 am

I've also short-listed the Evernew Mug Pot (900mL).

Does it have a tight/snug fitting lid? I don't want the thing to come off and make a mess/become lose in my pack.

Cheers :)


*Note: never mind, just found this little hack online:

How To Make An Ultralight Backpacking Pot Cozy

https://blackwoodspress.com/blog/6582/u ... -pot-cozy/
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby metastable » Thu 18 Mar, 2021 2:18 pm

The Soto Amicus and Windmaster are on sale at Paddy Pallin at the moment for the lowest I've seen for a while https://www.paddypallin.com.au/nsearch?q=soto
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby gbagua » Thu 18 Mar, 2021 2:53 pm

Yes I know I'll buy one tomorrow. :)

Hey guys do you think a 900mL pot is enough to cook these meals?

https://strivefood.com.au/collections/main-meal

Or I'll be spilling the whole thing out! :lol:

Cheers :)
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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby gbagua » Thu 18 Mar, 2021 5:02 pm

Oops! I missed on the top right corner stating the number of serves. I'll try to squeeze as much as I can in the pot. After walking the whole day and getting up the next morning like a hungry wolf (my case) I'll need the 2 serves straight up! :)

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Re: Ultralight cooking setup (Larapinta)

Postby stry » Fri 19 Mar, 2021 12:47 pm

metastable wrote:They suggest 1l for the 2 serves

https://strivefood.com.au/pages/cooking-instructions


In two serves, I have used only Back Country, and it is a challenge to get it done tidily in an 850mm pot. For cook in the pot, the 900 recommended would be a minimum


metastable wrote:The Soto Amicus and Windmaster are on sale at Paddy Pallin at the moment for the lowest I've seen for a while https://www.paddypallin.com.au/nsearch?q=soto


Thank you. :D On the way - hopefully :)
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