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Jagungal access in winter

Postby Lophophaps » Mon 14 Aug, 2017 1:45 pm

The most common way to get to jagungal seems to be via Guthega Power Station, Schlink Pass, and from there diverse routes to the Hilton, Valentines, Gungartan, Mawsons and points north. I'm looking for other ways. One that is now firmly closed for skiing is Bradneys Gap, Everards Flat, Pretty Plain and Grey Mare. The narrow fire track is now scrubbed.

Two ways may be viable. From Kiandra follow the AAWT to Mackays or Cesjacks. A variation is to start at Mount Selwyn, perhaps with a ski lift to the top. This would be two slightly long days to Mackays or Cesjacks. The scrub down to Happys Hut may be problematic.

Another option is on the track that leads to near Cesjacks. This has far less skiing but needs a 4WD; there are river crossings. The gate is at about 1700 metres and it's quite possible that wheeled progress would halt at about 1600 metres. This is 3-4 kilometres from Cesjacks, an hour or two of skiing.

Comments about the above and any other ways are sought.
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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby peregrinator » Mon 14 Aug, 2017 2:53 pm

The only access route I have experienced is your second one. I've commented on that previously here. In 2016 and 2017, I decided it was not safe to drive my 2WD further than the western-most bit of Nimmo Road, where it begins to descend to Gungarlin River. That's about four hours walk to Cesjacks Hut. Note both my trips were in summer so those creek crossings you're referring to were not a consideration. I just felt that rough bit of track down to the Gungarlin (and more pertinently, back up again) was probably going to be too difficult with low clearance.
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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby kanangra » Mon 14 Aug, 2017 5:07 pm

You've also got access from the north via Round Mt. Personally I think Nimmo and Snowy Plain leaves all the other access routes in the shade. It's a gentle 40 mins walk into Cessjacks! Can't beat it.

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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby north-north-west » Mon 14 Aug, 2017 6:42 pm

kanangra wrote:You've also got access from the north via Round Mt.


That can be dodgy in winter. The usual road is closed, so you have to take the longer and less direct option, and even that can sometimes be blocked by heavy snow.
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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby Lophophaps » Mon 14 Aug, 2017 9:51 pm

Thanks for the advice. Cesjacks via Nimmo seems best, 4WD vehicle or not. Four hours to Cesjacks Hut is about the same as Guthega PS to Whites River or the Hilton. NNW, my map shows only one way to get to Round Mounatin by car - the Carramurra Road from the west or east. The gate on the west (Khancoban) side is locked (may be opened for some operators) and I suspect that there's a gate near Cabramurra or Tumut Pondage. This is perhaps 10 kilometres of road bashing, not pleasant. And once at Round Mountain it's another day to SMC and then Jagungal. You mention a "longer and less direct option". Can you please advise about this?
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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby climberman » Tue 15 Aug, 2017 7:29 am

You can also go in from Eucumbene Cove via Happy Jacks Road.
There is a small carpark near the NPWS gate, which is around 3 or 4 km from the last house in the Cove.

Around 20 k's from the carpark to the big J as the crow flies.
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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby north-north-west » Tue 15 Aug, 2017 8:47 am

I've been in via Elliot Way in early spring when the Khancoban Road was still closed. Very icy and awkward, and probably not a reliable access route.
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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby RVG » Tue 15 Aug, 2017 11:26 am

Winter access via the Nimmo Rd and Cesjacks is quite feasible. There are private lodges near Cesjacks and the owners go in there as a matter of course during winter, but there a few things to bear in mind.

A 4WD is needed, but a soft roader will get you well past the Gungarlin River, from which there is a long plain all the way through to the last rise up to the National Park boundary and Cesjacks. That rise is fairly steady and, as indicated in another post, snow may be a factor in the last few kilometres.

One point to bear in mind is that Nimmo Hill is a good indicator of snow levels. If it is clear, you should have little trouble in getting close to the NPWS boundary. If it is snowy there then it is unlikely that you will get right to the boundary.

Both the Gungarlin River and Bulls Peaks Creek need to be crossed, although there is a vehicle bridge which bypasses the ford at the Gungarlin. There are also footbridges which give walking/skiing access across the Bulls Peaks Creek and beyond.

Winter crossings of these rivers are not usually a problem. (It is the Spring melt which is the main cause of increased river heights.)

Please also stick to the formed road as the going beside it can be soft and the locals will be annoyed if the road is damaged in any way.

Do not be put off by the misleading road signs which imply that you are on Private Property or that the road is closed ahead. By sticking to the road you are perfectly entitled to get all the way through to the National Park boundary.
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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby Lophophaps » Tue 15 Aug, 2017 12:48 pm

RVG, thanks, most useful. Do you have any idea who put up the private and closed road signs, and why? Many years ago there was a lovely lodge near Cesjacks, Nordheim, just outside the KNP border. Are the private lodges near here?
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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby RVG » Tue 15 Aug, 2017 3:24 pm

All of the lodges within the National Park were removed during the 1980s or thereabouts, including Nordheim.

The private lodges in the area are near Cesjacks, and are on the eastern side of the Divide, between it and Bulls Peaks Creek. They are all accessed via the Nimmo Rd/Snowy Plains FT.

The signs are a mixture of private and public signage. Once one crosses the Gungarlin R, the route becomes the Snowy Plains Fire Trail and there is an official sign saying something like that. The other signs say things like "Private Property Ahead" and "No Through Rd", all of which is true but do not let it deter you. A recent sign at the entrance to the last property before Cesjacks is more strident, saying something like "Private Property. Do Not Enter."

But, and this has been thrashed out over the years, the road is a legal access all the way through to the National Park boundary and it remains a legal access even where the physical road strays a little from the Road Reserve.

From time to time owners of the last property put a chain across the road at a point up the last hill, so as to stop vehicle traffic chopping up the road during the snow season. That point is about 2km from the boundary. It seems to me that during the winter that is a reasonable thing for them to do.
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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby rcaffin » Tue 15 Aug, 2017 8:56 pm

Beware the Spring thaw. Really beware. The rivers can rise, both fast and high.
And do NOT drive off the formed road. You will get bogged, and you will annoy the property owners. Yes, it IS PP.

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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby climberman » Tue 15 Aug, 2017 9:17 pm

As ever RVG you are clear and concise :)

All I would add is that coming back up the Nimmo Hill can be 'interesting' (slippery and difficult, or worse) after rain. It can be difficult in a 2WD, and you can bugger the road.
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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby peregrinator » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 6:18 pm

peregrinator wrote:The only access route I have experienced is your second one. I've commented on that previously here. In 2016 and 2017, I decided it was not safe to drive my 2WD further than the western-most bit of Nimmo Road, where it begins to descend to Gungarlin River. That's about four hours walk from Cesjacks Hut. Note both my trips were in summer so those creek crossings you're referring to were not a consideration. I just felt that rough bit of track down to the Gungarlin (and more pertinently, back up again) was probably going to be too difficult with low clearance.


Updating my earlier note after walking here last month.

The road down to Gungarlin River looked like it might have been improved and be fine for 2WD at the time. Cannot verify that though, first because I'd already decided to walk down and up (doesn't add greatly to the total duration). Second because, as others have commented, the road's condition does vary at various times. As a possible example of how that may occur, I saw a mob of about twenty maniacal motorbike riders go past at the top of the road when I'd returned. Then heard aggressive revving as they presumably had "fun" on the hill. Thanks for the erosion, you morons, to say nothing of the noise.
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Re: Jagungal access in winter

Postby clonanster » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 7:37 pm

peregrinator wrote:The only access route I have experienced is your second one. I've commented on that previously here. In 2016 and 2017, I decided it was not safe to drive my 2WD further than the western-most bit of Nimmo Road, where it begins to descend to Gungarlin River. That's about four hours walk to Cesjacks Hut. Note both my trips were in summer so those creek crossings you're referring to were not a consideration. I just felt that rough bit of track down to the Gungarlin (and more pertinently, back up again) was probably going to be too difficult with low clearance.


Did you park at the river and walk the fire trail? Easy walking?
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