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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby sambar358 » Tue 09 Apr, 2019 8:51 am

Xplora wrote: I am not sure how anyone could argue the count should be not be done under NPWS authority. It is the land manager.


Agree....get someone with a vested interest in the feral horses to do this and you can guarantee that the count results will be a bit dodgy. Parks should get a local staffer a seat in one of the choppers doing the deer cull mid-May and I'm sure those choppers will be flying most of the feral horse range on the BHP and they'd see most of them. Doing a ground count won't work as you can't cover enough country to ensure that you're not double-counting as you'll miss plenty that are in the bush and not out on the open plains in clear view.

Then of course there are the horses outside the BHP too and there are plenty of them lower down that will likely re-populate the BHP once the local neddies are reduced in number. All this should be seen as an on-going task and not just something to get done and then the issue is solved, once the numbers are reduced efforts should still be made to keep the pressure on otherwise horse numbers will build again and things will be much the same in 10 years time. Cheers

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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby DavidB » Tue 09 Apr, 2019 9:19 am

NSW developed a pretty good horse plan for KNP back in 2016. This is all just an excuse to delay any effective action.

All very sad really.
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby Xplora » Tue 09 Apr, 2019 1:54 pm

sambar358 wrote:
Xplora wrote: I am not sure how anyone could argue the count should be not be done under NPWS authority. It is the land manager.


Agree....get someone with a vested interest in the feral horses to do this and you can guarantee that the count results will be a bit dodgy. Parks should get a local staffer a seat in one of the choppers doing the deer cull mid-May and I'm sure those choppers will be flying most of the feral horse range on the BHP and they'd see most of them. Doing a ground count won't work as you can't cover enough country to ensure that you're not double-counting as you'll miss plenty that are in the bush and not out on the open plains in clear view.

Then of course there are the horses outside the BHP too and there are plenty of them lower down that will likely re-populate the BHP once the local neddies are reduced in number. All this should be seen as an on-going task and not just something to get done and then the issue is solved, once the numbers are reduced efforts should still be made to keep the pressure on otherwise horse numbers will build again and things will be much the same in 10 years time. Cheers

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The horses management plan for BHP extends to Dinner Plain and down to the McCoys boundary or Bundara private land. Also PV used FLIR imaging to count the Barmah forest horses. The fly overs have to be in an ordered grid and the results were pretty good. This time of year is ideal for FLIR was the cooling ground creates a nice contrast. A count of BHP was done 12 months ago but not sure if FLIR was used. I saw the helicopter and it was flying a grid. You can count dead horses easier than live ones though.

Fishing is still good up here and lots of honkers around. One in the fridge now. You should get up but maybe next week. Turning cold just now and rain today.
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby RFG » Wed 10 Apr, 2019 11:03 pm

Without trying to be preachy, can I encourage anyone who has concerns about allowing a similar situation to what has played out with the NSW KNP horse situation spreading to Victoria and in turn flowing onto conservation reserves across the country, now is the time to make a formal submission to the Barmah plan to indicate your support, even if you don’t live in Victoria or visit Barmah. You can bet that the brumby loving fraternity and anti parks activists from right across the country and internationally are mobilising to bring Parks Vic unstuck on this one. If Parks Vic and it’s political masters go weak at the knees on the Barmah plan through lack of general community support, then you can kiss good bye to any rational approach to feral horse control in the Vic Alps, any chance of redeeming the ridiculous situation of controlling and managing ferals in NSW or SE Australia for that matter. No use just voicing your opinions on social media. Need to make your views known via the formal channels. Only takes 10 minutes online.
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby Xplora » Sat 20 Apr, 2019 6:47 am

Prof Don Driscoll sent me some links for a bit of light reading on the subject. Knock yourself out if that is your sort of thing. To access the links for each paper, go here and each one is hyperlinked. This site does not support that and I don't want to go to each page again to copy the url. https://www.ski.com.au/xf/threads/f-horses.82548/page-6

Feral horses in the Australian Alps: an introduction to the special issue
Professor Don Driscoll; Dr Benjamin Scheele; Dr Tein McDonald


Science as an antidote to horse trading in the Australian Alps

Prof Richard James (Dick) Williams

Science and evolving community knowledge and opinion on feral horses in Kosciuszko National Park
Deirdre Slattery

How can the social sciences work with ecology in informing feral horse policy and management in south‐eastern Australia?
Alexandra R. Knight

Rehabilitation and revegetation of the Kosciuszko summit area, following the removal of grazing – An historic review
Roger Good Stuart Johnston

An assessment of feral horse impacts on treeless drainage lines in the Australian Alps
Geoff Robertson John Wright Daniel Brown Kally Yuen David Tongway

The occurrence of the Broad‐toothed Rat Mastacomys fuscus in relation to feral Horse impacts
Martin Schulz Mellesa Schroder Ken Green

Impacts of feral horses and deer on an endangered woodland of Kosciuszko National Park
Jessica Ward‐Jones Ian Pulsford Richard Thackway Dipak Bishwokarma David Freudenberger

Feral horse impacts on threatened plants and animals in sub‐alpine and montane environments in Victoria, Australia
Rebecca C. Cherubin Susanna E. Venn Don A. Driscoll Tim S. Doherty Euan G. Ritchie

Modelling horse management in the Australian Alps
Nicholas J. Beeton Christopher N. Johnson

Impacts of feral horses in the Australian Alps and evidence‐based solutions
Don A. Driscoll Graeme L. Worboys Hugh Allan Sam C. Banks Nicholas J. Beeton Rebecca C. Cherubin Tim S. Doherty C. Max Finlayson Ken Green Renée Hartley Geoffrey Hope Chris N. Johnson Mark Lintermans Brendan Mackey David J. Paull Jamie Pittock Luciana L. Porfirio Euan G. Ritchie Chloe F. Sato Ben C. Scheele Deirdre A. Slattery Susanna Venn David Watson Maggie Watson Richard M. Williams

Feral horse impacts: The Kosciuszko Science Conference
Casey Gibson

The Kosciuszko Science Accord


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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby peregrinator » Sat 20 Apr, 2019 9:22 am

Thanks for that link, Xplora. RFG reminds us of the need to respond to the feral horse problem in Barmah NP, and I hope people do take action on that. You still have a few weeks before submissions close. The Barmah management plan is an excellent source of information. It provides detailed evidence based of course on scientific studies, which though specifically related to the Barmah marshlands, has broader relevance.

https://engage.vic.gov.au/barmah-strategic-action-plan
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby johnrs » Mon 29 Apr, 2019 10:27 am

And a bit more on Koscie brumby numbers here
https://invasives.org.au/media-releases ... horse-foi/,
The graph records sightings, its not a census, but the trajectory is clear
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby potato » Mon 29 Apr, 2019 12:20 pm

Thanks for that. The attachment which contains a map of the flight path is interesting. The numbers observed must be considered as a minimum horse population.
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby Zapruda » Thu 02 May, 2019 8:22 am

Its good to see that the issue is still being brought up - https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14231

Most of the horses on the northern frost plains look like the one in article. Sick, underfed and tired. I imagine there will be more carcasses than normal after the snow melts later this year...
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby crollsurf » Thu 23 May, 2019 9:45 am

Here is a 30min doco on the issue by Harrison Warne called UNDERFROG
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=296186057985359
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Re: Horses and heritage

Postby johnrs » Fri 12 Jul, 2019 12:43 pm

And here is a meeting next week in Sydney
https://www.facebook.com/events/868263156841227/
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