Baeng72 wrote:Looks very cool.
ribuck wrote:Yay it's https, thanks, so maybe we will get https on the forum too!
Neo wrote:Having a plain map with the walks dotted all over it would be a user easy way to find some in a general area. Zoom in for more info then select one for the walk map. Something similar to wikicamps landing page.
Neo wrote:Looks perfect!
tastrax wrote:Looking good - I would also suggest moving away from Red/Green text symbols etc as its tough for colourblind folks.
wildwalks wrote:Neo wrote:Having a plain map with the walks dotted all over it would be a user easy way to find some in a general area. Zoom in for more info then select one for the walk map. Something similar to wikicamps landing page.
Thanks Neo -- great.
I have an option on the search results to display as a map (or the standard tiles).
https://prod1.maps.bushwalk.com/search/?word=&display=map
You can hover over for a brief summary, click for lots of details, then click again for the full page.
I am thinking this map will make up the bulk of the home page when we launch.
Does this work? any suggestions?
Matt
crollsurf wrote:even better if the GPX was displayed on the map
Moondog55 wrote:Bookmarked as "BushMaps"
Great idea.
rcaffin wrote:I looked at the Smugglers Ridge or Marramarra track.
I know this track extremely well. Well, 20+ years of familiarity.
rcaffin wrote:I have to say I found the directions VERY confusing. The layout of all the turns was, well, almost incomprehensible. The number of branches on the 4WD track was several times more than I can remember.
rcaffin wrote:You mention a campsite at the bottom, where you hit the river. But there is no mention of the developed NPWS campsite at the foot of the spur - complete even with a biodynamic toilet.
rcaffin wrote:The instructions for finding the start of the track up the spur were - there weren't any. If you have not been there before, this could be very confusing.
Some of the other tracks (I know most of them) were as bad.
rcaffin wrote:Trying to look at the map on the base page was infuriating. It zoomed in, then it zoomed out to Australia, it oscillated back and forth, and I became very frustrated.
rcaffin wrote:Sorry, but I think the walk details need upgrading, and the web site needs 'some work' before it can be of any use.
Cheers
Roger
wildwalks wrote:crollsurf wrote:even better if the GPX was displayed on the map
Thanks
Do you mean on the search map? Currently I just show the start point, then if you hover of the details you can see the track.
But I think you want to see the line of all the walks on the search map? I kind of have a plan for that, similar to on wildwalks search page, but using a very different technology that I am yet to build, but hope to add early next year. The problem with it is dealing with 'stacked' tracks. Displaying the list of walks that use the same section of track, this is the downside of the data model I have chosen for this site, but is solvable. Is that what you mean, you want to be able to see the routes for the walks on the search page?
Thanks
Matt
crollsurf wrote:sounds like you know exactly what I'm talking about and "stacked" tracks and a lot of tracks in a small area could become challenging. Have a look at how http://www.waterwaysguide.org.au/map do it. As far as site navigation and being user friendly, you're way ahead of them but it might give you a few ideas.
wildwalks wrote:Neo wrote:Having a plain map with the walks dotted all over it would be a user easy way to find some in a general area. Zoom in for more info then select one for the walk map. Something similar to wikicamps landing page.
Thanks Neo -- great.
I have an option on the search results to display as a map (or the standard tiles).
https://prod1.maps.bushwalk.com/search/?word=&display=map
You can hover over for a brief summary, click for lots of details, then click again for the full page.
I am thinking this map will make up the bulk of the home page when we launch.
Does this work? any suggestions?
Matt
Neo wrote:when I tap on a walk, the more info page comes up in the small pop up window.
(using a tablet)
This might be one frustration Roger mentioned. Usually selecting 'more info' opens on a new page away from the map page.
rcaffin wrote: Do you know what part of this is confusing? Is the shear number of intersection and instructions?
Well, sort of. If I had to give directions, I would collapse ALL of the downhill stuff into a simple statement: 'Follow the main 4WD track down the hill. Ignore lesser offshoots.' KISS.
rcaffin wrote:The are mentioned here. But obviously not clear enough.
Yeah, I missed it completely!
rcaffin wrote: not a great amount of detailed written instructions on this
In detail, I would say start at the NPWS signboard and head up the left hand side of the spur.
But in more general terms, I suggest you need more 'proof-reading' on the ground, in many places. Have some experienced walkers try to follow the directions while actually doing the walk. Problem: that needs a LOT more people and a LOT more work.
rcaffin wrote:Question: for how many walks (and for what grade of walks) do we want this level of detailed instruction available on the web?
I don't want to seem at all elitist, but when you see the mess some casual novices leave behind them, I really do wish they would stay at home! Very selfish of me, I know. Gone are the (bad) old days of 'burn, bash and bury'; today it seems more like 'burn, bash and throw away'. Grrr.
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wildwalks wrote:Your right, yhis is the way I am heading with this, well picked. The idea is to get information out there and ensure it is enhanced and maintained over time (quickly) but still kept simple. With my current tracknote website, every walk is written by a staff member walking it and documenting it. The other extreme are the many websites where users can contribute any GPS track and random comments they want. This is aiming for a happy middle ground on these two.
There will be feedback forum for each walk. My PA will be dedicating time to review feedback, engage with people where helpful and then update the information. In about 1-2months I will also be encouraging people to submit photos they take on the walk, so that we can also use that information to update and enhance the notes. The goal here is that our community members get out and enjoy walks, easily share information and feedback, this then allow us will take care of the consistency and maintenance with that support. Perfect model? Nope, but far better then anything else I have seen I I think. I am hoping that it will push this 'industry' in the right direction.
Baeng72 wrote:Don't Guthooks do something along this line?
wildwalks wrote:I have an option on the search results to display as a map (or the standard tiles).
https://prod1.maps.bushwalk.com/search/?word=&display=map
You can hover over for a brief summary, click for lots of details, then click again for the full page.
I am thinking this map will make up the bulk of the home page when we launch.
Does this work? any suggestions?
Sugden Magnet wrote:Yes, I far prefer walk sites whose landing page is a map than ones whose landing page is a list.
Sugden Magnet wrote:This zooming map in the callout is tremendously clever, but it also does make it look like that's all the information available. Is possible to have the entire callout act as a clickable link to the full walk page, not just the "More..." link at the bottom?
Sugden Magnet wrote:I'm already in awe of the quality of the PDF layout.
Sugden Magnet wrote:One request: some walks have multiple optional side trips, like Marramarra Ridge to Smugglers Ridge (https://prod1.maps.bushwalk.com/j/qytej4/).
However, it takes a little inference to realise which green lines on the map correspond to side trips in the list below. Could there be:
1. Start and end markers for side trips on the map identify themselves? So instead of just being labelled Start, the callout below could be labelled Start (Side trip to Marramarra Creek Campsite).
Sugden Magnet wrote:2. Side trips in the text relate back to the map? Maybe make it so clicking on a side trip in the list scrolls back to the map with the side trip selected? Or maybe make it so clicking on any of the circular "turn map" images scrolls to the map with that point selected? I'm less certain of this, since it could be confusing to people who click or tap on those while just trying to read the directions.
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