Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

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Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby Neo » Fri 01 Nov, 2019 4:58 pm

So im third time unlucky with a Nemo tensor short air mat. Two warranty replacements for seperate issues, the third now goes down slowly.
I havent searched for a leak but suspect the valve is dodgey like the second one (none were the new flat valve model).

Should I now fork out for a genuine short neoair, or buy a paddock-basher for the same price? Or a comfy ewe.

Maybe I should harden up and sleep on 2mm ccf, rake up some leaves to save weight..?
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby QueenLucyVanPelt » Fri 01 Nov, 2019 6:38 pm

I'm all for the 2mm ccf and leaves. Count those ounces!!

But in all seriousness, I've had great success with my Neoair xlite (womens). I thru-hiked with it in 2017 and only busted it after about 2000 miles. It was only a tiny puncture somewhere on it; nothing to do with the valve area. Thermarest replaced the entire mattress for me, brand new, through their warranty program. My newer one hasn't began to leak, yet, and I've used it on some rough, stealthy surfaces racking up about 400 mile. Fingers crossed!

If you are wanting to save weight even more, look into the uberlite. It's a different material and weighs about 4 ounces less than the womens Xlite, but you sacrifice temperature. It's a lot colder to sleep on, but certainly packs down a lot smaller, too.
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby Neo » Fri 01 Nov, 2019 6:42 pm

Cheers QLVP
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby Neo » Fri 01 Nov, 2019 7:28 pm

Yeah but nah, I like about 7cm of syntheric atmspheric holding insulated air between me and the earth mutha for a good nights rest.
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby crollsurf » Fri 01 Nov, 2019 8:13 pm

Love my Large Neo Xlite. Doesn't quite handle snow so maybe the Xtherm if you do a bit of that or sleep cold. They're also noisy so not great unless solo.

Got a short version as well which is only about 50g lighter and I don't think is worth the weight saving. Depends on your system but I use my pack as a pillow so have nothing else to keep my feet off the ground, which isn't a problem if the ground is warm.

If you're buying Thermarest here, the prices are extortionate, so you need to buy OS.



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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby Mark F » Fri 01 Nov, 2019 8:40 pm

If considering the Neo XLite short it is worthwhile adding the Neo XLite Womens to the choice. Better R rating 3.9 vs 3.2, and longer 168cm vs 119cm but at the cost of a 120g. When I was playing around with mats it certainly was for me a step up in comfort (80kg and 180cm) although I have finally moved to a wider mat the S2S XT Womens Large (R 4.2, 183 x 64 x 10). Once you get around R 4 the addition of a thin foam mat pushes the system to a level for snow.
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby threshold » Sat 02 Nov, 2019 10:20 am

I found neoair mattresses really uncomfortable.. Much prefer the s2s ultralights. Just my 2c.
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby philm » Sat 02 Nov, 2019 10:52 am

Yes agree the SToS Etherlite insulated is a great mat and a lot more comfortable and only a little heavier than the Neoair
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby GregR » Sat 02 Nov, 2019 1:05 pm

Neo, I've had my Neoair for 7 years and love it. Warm comfortable and never had a leak. I probably spend 20 nights a year on it worth every penny in my book.
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby scoha » Sat 02 Nov, 2019 1:44 pm

Took my new neoAir Xlite to the Pyrennees this year for the HRP - one of the best bits of gear on my back! So comfortable!! Get one.
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby Neo » Sun 03 Nov, 2019 4:34 pm

Thanks for all the input folks!

I slept soundly on 4mm last night, but that was thanks to a long week, grassy, not having walked and too much red wine.
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby fixa » Sun 03 Nov, 2019 6:10 pm

threshold wrote:I found neoair mattresses really uncomfortable.. Much prefer the s2s ultralights. Just my 2c.


I'm the same, but haven't found anyone else that shares that view! I also have a Big Agnes insulated mat which is so comfy, tried the neoair and just didn't like it.
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby Ms_Mudd » Sun 03 Nov, 2019 8:41 pm

Neo wrote:Thanks for all the input folks!

I slept soundly on 4mm last night, but that was thanks to a long week, grassy, not having walked and too much red wine.


I can comfortable sleep on bathroom tiles after too much red wine :wink:
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby Neo » Mon 11 Nov, 2019 8:30 pm

Found a leak in the Nemo. Could hear it, on the underside so my fault not the mat.

Have decided to harden up and get used to sleeping with no mat in summer. With luxury pilow though :)
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby wallwombat » Mon 11 Nov, 2019 9:02 pm

Neo wrote:Found a leak in the Nemo. Could hear it, on the underside so my fault not the mat.

Have decided to harden up and get used to sleeping with no mat in summer.......:)


I can't think of one good reason to ever willingly do that.
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Re: Worth the cash? Thermarest Neoair

Postby CasualNerd » Mon 11 Nov, 2019 11:37 pm

If you're interested in a very lightly used short neoair xlite, I was thinking about selling. Only used for a couple of nights but I'd rather carry the extra weight for a full length mat.

PM me if interested anyway !
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