Cost of canister gas?

[Moondog55]

Is it my poor recollection or has it really doubled in cost over the last years?
I may have to innvest in one of those Chinese LPG adaptors and start refilling from my 9kg bottles

[tastrax]

In a nutshell - YES!

https://www.aer.gov.au/wholesale-market ... rly-prices

[CasualNerd]

I keep thinking I'm going to get a butane adapter to use in the summer months, <$2 a canister compared to $15 ! They look pretty cheap and nasty unfortunately.

[Moondog55]

I keep thinking I'm going to get a butane adapter to use in the summer months, <$2 a canister compared to $15 ! They look pretty cheap and nasty unfortunately.

The Chinese ones most certainly are; and dangerous to use if they come loose; but the units from Korea are well made and safe I have 2, one for use with my new remote stove and the other for gas transfer
G-Works from Korea
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/G-works-New ... 2749.l2649

[blakey_]

I may have to innvest in one of those Chinese LPG adaptors and start refilling from my 9kg bottles

Don't do this.

Standard butane canisters have about half the vapour pressure of the low temperature 80/20 isobutane/propane canisters, but pure propane (aka LPG in Australia) will have approximately five times the vapour pressure of straight butane. (Varies greatly with temperature especially close to the boiling point)

Basically, those canisters aren't heavy walled enough to safely fill with propane.

[Moondog55]

But they aren't propane Blakey
LPG in Australia is the same basic crapola mix they sell us for BBQs and cars In the USA this would be suicide but not here

[Nuts]

M'dog, the one you linked, and indeed the experiments/discussions on here were for use with butane, mostly decanting between Iso cans or from cheaper butane sources..

Iv'e used LPG (adaptors and) 1kg cylinders and they are very heavy walled.

Let's know how you go (I don't know enough else to comment further).

Meanwhile:

https://www.outdoorsdomain.com.au/gasma ... gJ0dPD_BwE

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[undercling-mike]

But they aren't propane Blakey
LPG in Australia is the same basic crapola mix they sell us for BBQs and cars In the USA this would be suicide but not here

Are you sure? Elgas says LPG is propane in Aus: https://www.elgas.com.au/blog/1972-lpg- ... gases-used

If you have both propane and butane you could refill a canister with the correct ratio by carefully weighing the gasses added. But it'd take a lot of care and I personally wouldn't consider it worth it compared to the cost of canisters. I do use the cheap butane cans with an adaptor for car camping when it's not too cold.

[blakey_]

Are you sure? Elgas says LPG is propane in Aus: https://www.elgas.com.au/blog/1972-lpg- ... gases-used

Like I said, LPG in Australia is basically pure propane. Unless your bottle filler could guarantee you an 80/20 butane:propane mix it's a risky endeavour.

[Moondog55]

I'm pretty sure Auto LPG and BBQ gas are 50/50 mixes or even less propane often
But while I do use butane the rest of my post was probably just a rant against another example of an "Australia Tax"

[undercling-mike]

Fair enough, fwiw the Elgas says auto lpg is a mix of butane and propane, typically with at least 60% propane and BBQ gas is just propane.

The price premium for the threaded canisters over the dirt cheap butane canisters is a bit rediculous but the canister cost in the USA seemed about the same after conversion when I was there recently. I remember them being cheaper in NZ a few years ago though.

[CasualNerd]

Meanwhile:

https://www.outdoorsdomain.com.au/gasma ... gJ0dPD_BwE

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Is this for real ?? They also have 450gm canisters $99.95 for 24. That falls in the "too good to be true" category, but they look like a legit store. What's the catch ? I thought Iso-Butane was decent at low temps ?

[Nuts]

Placed an order so i'll let you know. It's substantially cheaper than iv'e ever paid. II suspect they'll think again on that free Tassie shipping.

[Moondog55]

I'll go shares with someody on a carton of big ones.

[Warin]

I suspect they'll think again on that free Tassie shipping.

Yep. Dangerous Goods .. anit cheap to ship.

[CasualNerd]

Placed an order so i'll let you know. It's substantially cheaper than iv'e ever paid. II suspect they'll think again on that free Tassie shipping.

Hope it arrives, I'll be ordering some for sure.

[Moondog55]

Wondering which size to buy
The big ones are great value but I would carry the 230 gram more often but I do still have 8 in that size from the K-Mart sale years ago

[Moondog55]

BTW Thanx for that link Nuts

[Lizzy]

Yes thanks Nuts! They will suddenly wonder why they are getting a few orders!

[north-north-west]

Wow. If only I could find a use for 24 canisters - but that would probably last me to the end of my bushwalking days.

[Neo]

I'll be packing a part used iso can this week and also my adaptor for regular butane cans. Forcast 8-19° should be OK to switch to using the cheap gas from now.

[Gadgetgeek]

On the case of north american auto-propane, I do know that the one LPG vehicle I drove filled from the same tank as the BBQ bottles. Canada also has winterized versions of all fuels, so that is part of the considerations I guess.
I've got one of the fly-spray adapters as well as a lindle valve coupler, so I have just dumped the cheap butane into an empty upright can. Some stoves like it better than others. I don't do a mix, but its certainly possible as long as one is careful. For short trips I just top off a 110g can from a 450g, as they are much cheaper per gram of gas. The valve coupler also helps with the little part-cans. you don't get it all, but its not too hard to get most of the fuel out.

[LachlanB]

Wow. If only I could find a use for 24 canisters - but that would probably last me to the end of my bushwalking days.

I wish I could manage with so little gas!
24 of the 230g canisters would probably only last me two years, between tea on daywalks and a multi night walk every month or so.

[north-north-west]

First night on a multiday walk is usually minimal food, and that cold. Other days at most I would boil 800ml water and then bung the pot in the cosy to finish rehydrating. Maybe a hot drink once on a long trip but mostly not. Small canister will last six months or more, even with a six to ten day trip every month.

[Moondog55]

Not melting snow then

[north-north-west]

Had to on the last trip, but do my best to minimise that. Funny how it works - turns to slush very quickly, but going from that to warm water takes ages.

[LachlanB]

First night on a multiday walk is usually minimal food, and that cold. Other days at most I would boil 800ml water and then bung the pot in the cosy to finish rehydrating. Maybe a hot drink once on a long trip but mostly not. Small canister will last six months or more, even with a six to ten day trip every month.

An here's me boiling about 2.5L/day, every day, most of that for cups of tea. A small canister just lasts me the weekend...

[north-north-west]

I am what MD calls 'frugal' and everyone else calls a tightarse.

[Moondog55]

Mates and I are probably going to split a 2 carton delivery; one of each weight

[Moondog55]

I am what MD calls 'frugal' and everyone else calls a tightarse.

Hah No
A real TA would be scavenging charcoal and using a hobo stove