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Re: Gaiters

Postby Dave Bremers » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 8:46 am

$70 is just ludicrous really. I was hoping for S2S' sake that I just had a dodgy pair but it sounds like everyone is having this problem.

What really annoyed me was the fact that the laces hook came off after only 4 days walking - and 3.5 of those were walking up to the top of New River lagoon. Only 600m of scrub and already they were failing. Come on, StoS, the SCT isn't that tough on gaiters!

The harshest conditions walking to your local cafe maybe
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If I can find the right fabric, I'd make a pattern of my current gaiters, and get my wife (seamstress) to sew up some new replicas.
I've had half a mind to make some of my own too - BTW my shadecloth arm gaiters were good, but only in dry scrub. Wore raincoat otherwise. Not much dry scrub after it rains, and it rains a lot in Tassie.

Anyway, I kind of feel sorry for StoS, being an Australian company and one with (what used to be?) a decent reputation, so would anyone have any concerns if I posted a link to this topic to StoS? Give them a chance to rectify the situation.
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Re: Gaiters

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Re: Gaiters

Postby Son of a Beach » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 9:59 am

climberman wrote:For MYOG this: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin ... nd_gaiters may be of use.


Note: Payment is required to read the article (beyond the abstract and contents). Pity... I was really hoping to get a head start on finding fabrics for this.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby Penguin » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 10:23 am

Been on this topic before - About the only gaiters on the local market are the S2S ones no matter which shop you go to. I was lucky to get the lat Macpac classics from Hobart last year and I have been very happy with these. My old S2S gortex quagmire lasted about 5 years, by the end the bottom were more aquseal than canvass.

When I was in a hinking shop about four years ago on the south island of New Zealand they had a whole wall of gaiters to choose from.

Gaiters are meant to have a tough life and will fall apart, but the current crop have too many exposed and raised points to wear or tear off. The quality of the stitching seems to be a problem. Im with SOB - old gaiters seem to last - where have we gone wrong with the new breed? Is it the problem of an effective monopoly?

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Re: Gaiters

Postby Michael_Kingston » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 10:28 am

Have a look at the Custom made gaiters thread. There is an option right here in Hobart.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby blacksheep » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 10:59 am

have any of you guys seen the current macpac gaitors (cascade inaztec canvas, or Torlesse in cordura)? we also can supply them with a replaceable cable for underfoot- very popular here (in NZ) and they cop a heap of abuse walking scree etc here, can't see why they wouldn't meet tassie requirements equally well.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby Son of a Beach » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 11:15 am

blacksheep wrote:have any of you guys seen the current macpac gaitors (cascade inaztec canvas, or Torlesse in cordura)? we also can supply them with a replaceable cable for underfoot- very popular here (in NZ) and they cop a heap of abuse walking scree etc here, can't see why they would meet tassie requirements equally well.


If anyone else has used these, I'd be very interested in user reviews, and with no MacPac store near me, I'd have to buy online, and would prefer to hear some first-hand reviews before doing so. My old faithful gaiters are finally about to die, and I need to get replacements soon.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby ollster » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 12:14 pm

blacksheep wrote:can't see why they would meet tassie requirements equally well.


Two words - scrub bashing. It tends to wreck gaiters. Still, might be worth a try, although I'm leaning heavily towards getting some custom made.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby Dave Bremers » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 12:15 pm

Sent an email to S2S with a link to here, if they don't post here I'll let you guys know what they said.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 12:35 pm

The only gaiters stocked in the Hobart MACPAC store are ankle length ones which are pretty close to useless for off track walking!! If they could get some full length ones in stock id definately check em out

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Re: Gaiters

Postby ollster » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 12:50 pm

ILUVSWTAS wrote:ankle length ones which are pretty close to useless for off track walking!!


There, fixed. Seriously, why would you?!
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Re: Gaiters

Postby wander » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 1:12 pm

I was assured by farmers in Victoria that a good sized snake can and will bite through a Wellington boot. So I have always assumed a gaiter is no promise of safety from a snake bite.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby ollster » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 1:35 pm

wander wrote:I was assured by farmers in Victoria that a good sized snake can and will bite through a Wellington boot. So I have always assumed a gaiter is no promise of safety from a snake bite.


That's not why I wear them, I wear them for scrub and rock.

To avoid snake bite I usually leap about 5m in the air in an opposite direction, using the chi power of my screams.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby Penguin » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 1:44 pm

blacksheep wrote:have any of you guys seen the current macpac gaitors (cascade inaztec canvas, or Torlesse in cordura)? we also can supply them with a replaceable cable for underfoot- very popular here (in NZ) and they cop a heap of abuse walking scree etc here, can't see why they would meet tassie requirements equally well.


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I had a look at the Cascade when I bought the older classics. I felt that the stitching around the greg plastic shields at the bottom was likely to fail, similar to the S2S ones everybody is complaining about.

Very happy with my classics and a bit of guy rope at the bottom to go under the boot. The side closure works well, the material has stood up to bush bashing and they are comfortable. Bring back the calssic :wink:

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Re: Gaiters

Postby blacksheep » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 2:17 pm

ILUVSWTAS wrote:The only gaiters stocked in the Hobart MACPAC store are ankle length ones which are pretty close to useless for off track walking!! If they could get some full length ones in stock id definately check em out

HINT HINT........

how long ago was this? we ran out of stock for a bit in october but new stock should be there now..
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Re: Gaiters

Postby blacksheep » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 2:19 pm

Penguin wrote:
blacksheep wrote:have any of you guys seen the current macpac gaitors (cascade inaztec canvas, or Torlesse in cordura)? we also can supply them with a replaceable cable for underfoot- very popular here (in NZ) and they cop a heap of abuse walking scree etc here, can't see why they would meet tassie requirements equally well.


Cam

I had a look at the Cascade when I bought the older classics. I felt that the stitching around the greg plastic shields at the bottom was likely to fail, similar to the S2S ones everybody is complaining about.

Very happy with my classics and a bit of guy rope at the bottom to go under the boot. The side closure works well, the material has stood up to bush bashing and they are comfortable. Bring back the calssic :wink:

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these would have been the previous model- the new models (in store now) had this hypalon piece removed (they are basically the same as the classic you selected, but with a 40mm velco opening at front with pre4ss stud as this gives better sizing adjustment than previous classics)
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Re: Gaiters

Postby blacksheep » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 2:23 pm

ollster wrote:
ILUVSWTAS wrote:ankle length ones which are pretty close to useless for off track walking!!


There, fixed. Seriously, why would you?!
they are popular- especially with scree walkers/ xc skiers who are only concerened with keeping snow/ debris from entering their boots. Not the ticket for scrub though.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby wander » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 2:43 pm

blacksheep, the press studs currently used inthe macpac gaiters are not worth a pinch of ....please get production to use use proper press studs. Having Remote Repairs replace all of them part by part is an expensive way of doing it.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby Dave Bremers » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 2:51 pm

I think press studs on gaiters are useless anyway - always coming undone or getting clogged with mud.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby climberman » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 2:52 pm

Son of a Beach wrote:
climberman wrote:For MYOG this: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin ... nd_gaiters may be of use.


Note: Payment is required to read the article (beyond the abstract and contents). Pity... I was really hoping to get a head start on finding fabrics for this.


darn - sorry Nik, I have a membership and didn't realise it was a members only article. Roger has another on there that fuilly describes the pattern, materials and method for making a pair of gaiters.
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Re: Gaiters

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Re: Gaiters

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 2:59 pm

blacksheep wrote:
ILUVSWTAS wrote:The only gaiters stocked in the Hobart MACPAC store are ankle length ones which are pretty close to useless for off track walking!! If they could get some full length ones in stock id definately check em out

HINT HINT........

how long ago was this? we ran out of stock for a bit in october but new stock should be there now..



Well I was in there 2 weeks ago, and again today. Even asked if they had any full length ones but this was greeted by a smirk and a no sorry, not available.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 3:00 pm

ollster wrote:
To avoid snake bite I usually leap about 5m in the air in an opposite direction, using the chi power of my screams.



LOL!! I reckon i'd apadt the same procedure
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Re: Gaiters

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 3:11 pm

ollster wrote:
ILUVSWTAS wrote:ankle length ones which are pretty close to useless for off track walking!!


There, fixed. Seriously, why would you?!


Hehehehe yeh I know, surely the market in Tasmania for such a thing is small???
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Re: Gaiters

Postby Taurë-rana » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 3:43 pm

I wouldn't wear them for on track walking in Tassie either given the state of many of our tracks - knee deep mud, sharp rocks, scratchy bushes, big snakes... can't really see the point of ankle length gaiters, might as well not wear any.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 4:02 pm

Starting to see a link here blacksheep?? :wink: :wink:
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Re: Gaiters

Postby blacksheep » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 5:07 pm

ILUVSWTAS wrote:Starting to see a link here blacksheep?? :wink: :wink:

not sure what you mean by this one, surely you can accept that we sell to people other than off track bushwalkers who have different needs? anyhoo, I am surprised the stock hasn't reached Hobart yet..will follow up when back at work tomorrow...
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Re: Gaiters

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 5:17 pm

blacksheep wrote:
ILUVSWTAS wrote:Starting to see a link here blacksheep?? :wink: :wink:

not sure what you mean by this one, surely you can accept that we sell to people other than off track bushwalkers who have different needs? anyhoo, I am surprised the stock hasn't reached Hobart yet..will follow up when back at work tomorrow...


What are the short ones for? I thought skiers maybe? and as theres no such thing as a ski season in Tassie anymore......

but yes please let us know when stock gets to Tassie, as im keen to check them out!!
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Re: Gaiters

Postby norts » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 5:39 pm

I cover all my stitching on my S2S quagmires with with freesole, after I sent them back to be repair and charged $10 for cleaning. I also have u shaped buckles.

I am worried that I wont be able to replace my heel strap when it finally dies, which wont be long now.
I have an old pair of Macpac canvas gaiters, velcro up the back. Tough as nails.
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Re: Gaiters

Postby Macca81 » Wed 13 Jan, 2010 9:10 pm

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Son of a Beach wrote:
climberman wrote:For MYOG this: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin ... nd_gaiters may be of use.


Note: Payment is required to read the article (beyond the abstract and contents). Pity... I was really hoping to get a head start on finding fabrics for this.


darn - sorry Nik, I have a membership and didn't realise it was a members only article. Roger has another on there that fuilly describes the pattern, materials and method for making a pair of gaiters.

wanna do a cut n paste job? it looks like an interesting article ;) ;)
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