A selection of hiking seats

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A selection of hiking seats

Postby JohnnoMcJohnno » Sun 21 May, 2023 2:45 pm

A selection of Hiking Seats

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Back Row: Lacol, Helinox, Naturehike
Front row: Uquip, Triwonder, Fishing Chair
Very front row - 10l bucket


Knees suffering? Have trouble getting up off the ground? Want to sit above the dirt in the morning while drinking good coffee and taking in the ambience? Then maybe a hiking seat is for you. Alas, while all of these seats will get you above the dirt, none of them is overly comfortable, my camp coffee is rarely good, and on the last walk the ambience was mostly fog. Nevertheless a seat can be a nice thing to have. Whether it’s worth the extra carry weight, well that comes down to personal choice.

For the record, I am a 185 cm tall male weighing 95 kg with dodgy knees. I typically don’t need a seat at the end of the day when I still seem to have a lot of nervous energy. I mainly use it at breakfast time when my joints are at their stiffest. Apart from wanting the lightest possible seat, I want it high enough so I don’t have to squat down too far, I want it low enough so I can attend to the stove on the ground, I want it simple enough so I don’t have to spend much time setting it up, and I want it to be more comfortable than a rock. Is that too much to ask? Here is what I have tried recently, in chronological order, with my comments, and as usual YMMV. (NB the weights and seat heights are my measurements, weights are without stuff bags, heights without anyone in them).

Lacol Stool (weight - 390g, seat height - 425mm, seat - 340mm triangle, max load - NA)

I bought this when I used to commute from South Brisbane to the Gold Coast. Quite a few fellow train travellers used these or something similar. We’d give polite nods to each other as we sat in the corridor. I only used mine a few times - it was/is a pain to assemble because the seat is difficult to stretch over the frame. The base is also relatively small so it feels unstable which is not good on a train. As a hiking stool it doesn’t work for me because the seat is too high. It was cheap though and lighter than some. I can’t remember what I paid for mine but I see they’re on AliExpress for about $30 including shipping.

Helinox ground chair (weight - 640g, seat height - 130mm, seat - 450mm wide chair, max load - 120 kg)

The only hiking chair I own as opposed to stools. Light for a chair but it’s heavier than many stool options. It’s fiddly to set up and take down but easier than the Lacol. It is also rather wobbly, and you sit low to the ground so it feels like you could tip backwards, though it never actually has. If you like to stretch your legs out this is a great option, but that makes it better for relaxing at the end of the day rather than for making the morning brew. You also sit in this rather than on it, so sitting up or getting in and out will have you working your abs.

Naturehike Ultralite Stool (L) (weight - 355g, seat height - 250mm, seat - 250mm square, max load - 100 kg)

I had high hopes for this. It’s light, it’s simple to set up (you just open it up and it’s ready), and it’s cheap. Unfortunately the seat area is tiny, even in the large size. 25cm square is just not enough for me, and the corner posts tend to dig into parts that they shouldn’t. If you’re a more petite person it may suit.

Uquip Trinity Stool (L) (weight - 345g, seat height - 325mm, seat - 310mm triangle, max load - 150 kg)

Another simple folding stool. With its small triangular seat it’s kind of the G-string of stools, but the triangle shape does seem to work a little better than a square. Like the Naturehike it’s light and very quick to set up. The seat platform is not all that comfortable but the seat height is good. I quite liked this until someone pointed out how much the legs bowed out when I sat on it. 150 kg load rating? I very much doubt it. So notwithstanding its other good qualities, I’m reluctant to use it any more.

Tri Wonder Stool (L) (weight - 610g, seat height - 350mm, seat - 310mm square, max load - 110 kg)

I must have misread the specs because this is quite heavy for a stool. And why it’s called the Tri-wonder when it has 4 legs remains a mystery. It’s easy to set up though, the four legs telescope out, you pull the seat part taut, and it’s done. The legs are stainless steel which explains the weight. It feels robust but the legs are linked at their mid points by a rather flimsy looking mild steel tab which gives me concerns for the long term integrity. The height is good though, and the seat is 31 cm square. It’s only 6cm wider/longer/squarer than the Naturehike but that’s enough to offer significantly better comfort. I have since seen that Naturehike offers something similar with aluminium legs. It saves 100g and may be worth considering.

Aliexpress Fishing Chair (weight 410g, seat height 370mm, seat - 440 x 150mm rectangular strip, max load 200kg? Who are they kidding!)

I saw this on Aliexpress and thought, for $30 I’ll give it a go. It’s an odd design that looks like it would be better as a footstool, but it actually works quite well. There’s a knack in getting the seat fitted to the supports on assembly, but once you figure that out it’s easy peasy. The seat height is a little higher than preferred but the seat itself is quite comfortable although you do need to use your abs a little more with this one. I worry about the strength of the plastic hubs that some stools use, but this one is quite chunky. 200 kg load rating? I doubt it, but it handles my weight just fine.

And one from left field . . .

Bucket 10l with lid (weight - 580g, seat height - 260mm, seat - 260mm round, max load - NA).

Don’t laugh. Need something to stop your crackers breaking en route? Want a solid surface to prepare your lunch? Need a lot of water to extinguish your out-of-control campfire? Bring a bucket with a lid and it will do all these things plus you can sit on it in camp. The problem is whether it will fit in your pack. It won’t fit in my 60l Exos for example. It will fit in my Kelty H-frame but that means taking a much heavier pack. And no, I haven’t actually taken this on a bushwalk, but I have thought about it.

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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby matagi » Sun 21 May, 2023 5:53 pm

I have the Helinox Ground Chair and like it because I can sit with my legs stretched out. It is a bit of a challenge to get out of it but I consider it a good test of flexibility.
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby Last » Tue 23 May, 2023 6:35 pm

The bucket isn't that silly. You just need a different shape, I can sit on this one. 260mm high. Weighs 530g. It fits in my pack. Could put my food in it, for those places with creatures that want to share your food. Likewise, I haven't yet but it's a thought. I also have a Helinox but it's for car camping.
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby Biggles » Thu 25 May, 2023 10:03 am

Before Helinox (among otrhers) came along, there were good and not so good chairs and stools. In my case, a $10 disposals store chair made of too-light aluminium with a triangular seat pad, similar to the one in Johnno's post (top left), collapsed underneath me, spilling tea and spearing me behind the knee. That was many years ago (2002?), but the incident was enough to be wary of cheap products offering more trouble than they are worth! Several chairs and stools have come and gone in that time, mostly nondescript.

Nowadays, a Helinox Chair Zero accompanies me everywhere in my pack; I dislike having to stand up during very long exposure pinhole camera photographs; I want to sit! I concur with Johnno about the fiddly set-up and somewhat wobbly stance; on soft soil I take the ground stabiliser pad and this makes a big improvement, at the expense of more weight. But practice makes perfect and used often enough, assembly and disassembly can be done very quickly. Mountain Designs make a very similar model, but the tubes are considerably thicker and the overall chair is heavier.
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby rcaffin » Thu 25 May, 2023 7:44 pm

A good traveller has no fixed plans and is not intent on arriving.
― Lao Tzu.

But he does have a large bag of (cooked) rice.

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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby north-north-west » Thu 25 May, 2023 8:06 pm

rcaffin wrote:A good traveller has no fixed plans and is not intent on arriving.
― Lao Tzu.

But he does have a large bag of (cooked) rice chocolate.


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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby headwerkn » Fri 26 May, 2023 8:36 am

I too have and rate the Helinox Chair Zero. It doesn't come on all trips; on shorter trips or those with long days and little time spent mulling around camp it doesn't add much value. But on longer trips, with overall shorter days on foot and more time spent sitting around and socialising at camp - especially over summer when the weather's generally better - it's worth its weight for letting the legs relax while sitting.

Also makes the dealing with boots and gaiters that bit more comfortable and is useful for keeping items out of the dirt, or an extra clothes drying rack in the sun.

Only real downside is the pointy feet readily bury themselves in soft ground. Sometimes a little rock/wood engineering is required to stop you sinking ;-)
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby north-north-west » Fri 26 May, 2023 11:31 am

I just find a convenient log/rock. In my day, bushwalkers 'ad it tough ... we 'ad to create our own route through the scrub by lickin' ground clean wi' tongue ...
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby bearded bushwalker » Fri 26 May, 2023 12:47 pm

And on half a handfull of freezing cold gravel a day!
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby north-north-west » Fri 26 May, 2023 1:22 pm

You got gravel? Lookshury! We 'ad to subsist on the dirt we accidentally swallowed during the aforementioned lickin'
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby JohnnoMcJohnno » Fri 26 May, 2023 6:47 pm

Last wrote:The bucket isn't that silly. You just need a different shape, I can sit on this one. 260mm high. Weighs 530g. It fits in my pack. Could put my food in it, for those places with creatures that want to share your food. Likewise, I haven't yet but it's a thought. I also have a Helinox but it's for car camping.


If I could get a clean square shaped bucket it would be ideal. The only square bucket I have used to hold pool chlorine, so I'm reluctant to use it. The bucket came into planning for a 12 day hike with a food drop halfway - carrying the bucket out would save a 300 km road trip to retrieve it, plus you get a seat for the second part of the journey. Still thinking about it.
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby JohnnoMcJohnno » Fri 26 May, 2023 7:05 pm

north-north-west wrote:I just find a convenient log/rock. In my day, bushwalkers 'ad it tough ... we 'ad to create our own route through the scrub by lickin' ground clean wi' tongue ...


On my most recent walk, the logs were soggy and the rocks (being granite) radioactive. Was glad I took the chair that trip. I happily concede I am not as tough as you.
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby JohnnoMcJohnno » Fri 26 May, 2023 7:13 pm

matagi wrote:I have the Helinox Ground Chair and like it because I can sit with my legs stretched out. It is a bit of a challenge to get out of it but I consider it a good test of flexibility.


I quite like sitting in the Ground chair, and the legs are less likely to sink than the chair Zero. But getting out is a challenge, and unfortunately my flexibility is limited. Still, it definitely adds comfort at the end of the day.
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby JohnnoMcJohnno » Fri 26 May, 2023 7:22 pm

Biggles wrote:Before Helinox (among otrhers) came along, there were good and not so good chairs and stools. In my case, a $10 disposals store chair made of too-light aluminium with a triangular seat pad, similar to the one in Johnno's post (top left), collapsed underneath me, spilling tea and spearing me behind the knee. That was many years ago (2002?), but the incident was enough to be wary of cheap products offering more trouble than they are worth! Several chairs and stools have come and gone in that time, mostly nondescript.

Nowadays, a Helinox Chair Zero accompanies me everywhere in my pack; I dislike having to stand up during very long exposure pinhole camera photographs; I want to sit! I concur with Johnno about the fiddly set-up and somewhat wobbly stance; on soft soil I take the ground stabiliser pad and this makes a big improvement, at the expense of more weight. But practice makes perfect and used often enough, assembly and disassembly can be done very quickly. Mountain Designs make a very similar model, but the tubes are considerably thicker and the overall chair is heavier.


Yes, a chair or stool collapsing is my biggest worry. Hasn't happened yet and I really don't want it to. At least the Helinox products seem well designed and sorted. However if the bucket would fit my pack, I would probably take that. You won't get speared should it collapse. And it can hold snacks for you to eat while waiting for your long exposure.
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby Biggles » Mon 29 May, 2023 8:40 am

JohnnoMcJohnno wrote:
Biggles wrote:Before Helinox (among otrhers) came along, there were good and not so good chairs and stools. In my case, a $10 disposals store chair made of too-light aluminium with a triangular seat pad, similar to the one in Johnno's post (top left), collapsed underneath me, spilling tea and spearing me behind the knee. That was many years ago (2002?), but the incident was enough to be wary of cheap products offering more trouble than they are worth! Several chairs and stools have come and gone in that time, mostly nondescript.

Nowadays, a Helinox Chair Zero accompanies me everywhere in my pack; I dislike having to stand up during very long exposure pinhole camera photographs; I want to sit! I concur with Johnno about the fiddly set-up and somewhat wobbly stance; on soft soil I take the ground stabiliser pad and this makes a big improvement, at the expense of more weight. But practice makes perfect and used often enough, assembly and disassembly can be done very quickly. Mountain Designs make a very similar model, but the tubes are considerably thicker and the overall chair is heavier.


Yes, a chair or stool collapsing is my biggest worry. Hasn't happened yet and I really don't want it to. At least the Helinox products seem well designed and sorted. However if the bucket would fit my pack, I would probably take that. You won't get speared should it collapse. And it can hold snacks for you to eat while waiting for your long exposure.



The Helinox chairs do wobble a bit. Many prospective buyers consider the wobble to be a sign of weakness, but it is not. I'm not a heavy person (57.8kg), which is way under the upper limit of weight this and other chairs can withstand. It is awkward to get out of, rather tempting to stay all day in it, which unashamedly I did on a recent day trip to Mount Franklin for World Pinhole PHotography Day on Sunday 30th April [https://pinholeday.org/gallery/2023/index.php?id=731&Country=Australia]! I used the Zero on that and four additional frames. A bit more awkward to find a stable place in rainforest environments e.g. like the Otways, where the ground is forever soft (often like quicksand!) and leeches are waiting keenly for me to make a contribution to their ecosystem. At the end of the day, I'm just happy to have something comfy to sit in, that can be packed away small, does not weigh much and is ready for action.
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby JohnnoMcJohnno » Mon 29 May, 2023 8:31 pm

Biggles wrote:
The Helinox chairs do wobble a bit. Many prospective buyers consider the wobble to be a sign of weakness, but it is not. I'm not a heavy person (57.8kg), which is way under the upper limit of weight this and other chairs can withstand. It is awkward to get out of, rather tempting to stay all day in it, which unashamedly I did on a recent day trip to Mount Franklin for World Pinhole PHotography Day on Sunday 30th April [https://pinholeday.org/gallery/2023/index.php?id=731&Country=Australia]! I used the Zero on that and four additional frames. A bit more awkward to find a stable place in rainforest environments e.g. like the Otways, where the ground is forever soft (often like quicksand!) and leeches are waiting keenly for me to make a contribution to their ecosystem. At the end of the day, I'm just happy to have something comfy to sit in, that can be packed away small, does not weigh much and is ready for action.


f 235 !!!! You definitely need a comfy seat.
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Re: A selection of hiking seats

Postby Biggles » Tue 30 May, 2023 8:43 am

JohnnoMcJohnno wrote:
Biggles wrote:
The Helinox chairs do wobble a bit. Many prospective buyers consider the wobble to be a sign of weakness, but it is not. I'm not a heavy person (57.8kg), which is way under the upper limit of weight this and other chairs can withstand. It is awkward to get out of, rather tempting to stay all day in it, which unashamedly I did on a recent day trip to Mount Franklin for World Pinhole PHotography Day on Sunday 30th April [https://pinholeday.org/gallery/2023/index.php?id=731&Country=Australia]! I used the Zero on that and four additional frames. A bit more awkward to find a stable place in rainforest environments e.g. like the Otways, where the ground is forever soft (often like quicksand!) and leeches are waiting keenly for me to make a contribution to their ecosystem. At the end of the day, I'm just happy to have something comfy to sit in, that can be packed away small, does not weigh much and is ready for action.


f 235 !!!! You definitely need a comfy seat.


Indeed. :lol:
Gin and lamingtons would certainly have helped while away the time on this, and many other equally long exposure sessions. I only packed tea. Drrrft. :(

The longest (and duddest...) exposure I have done with a Zero Image was 4 hours 33 minutes (ISO 50 film) at the Sequoia sempervirens plantation in the Great Otway National Park in the winter of 2012. No Helinox chair back then: just propped myself up against another tree while the camera went to work, dozing off and waking up when the phone alarm vibrated in my pocket. The end result showed a frame full of people moving about in front of the camera over time — essentially one gigantic, fluffed up blur!! :evil:
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