Access denied

[Nuts]

Back on thread,,,,
The point is that several bw areas are accessed via state forest rd, access is being restricted. Priority is low unless its a major tourist venue. Not many bushwalking pollies unfortunately! But if there are any perhaps they can help.

What would you have pollies do greyim? Are you interested in voicing your opposition to the road closure? (As I understand they all support the logging regime?) I'd like to know about future roadside coupes/logging/road closure, expectations, dates if that's of interest i'll let you know (the forestry liaison email contact is down so it'll take a call). Unless anyone can help already? Is the road closure 'one-off'?

[doogs]

Slightly diverging from topic; I have noticed that Coolangatta Road on Bruny Island is closed for repair by Parks and Wildlife. This is a Forestry Tasmania Road and does not access any National Parks through it usage, it accesses the Mt Mangana walk which is probably managed by Parks. It also passes through an area that is supposed to be part of the Tasmanian Forest Agreement, but also some areas of State Forest which is currently being logged. Does this mean that Parks are taking over the maintenance of these roads whose usage aren't primarily by Forestry Tasmania, and does this mean they will need to take over this upkeep for the Hatz Road also??

[Nuts]

This guy is pretty friendly doogs: Dion McKenzie on 03 6235 8151, he's FT 'stakeholder engagement officer',
their policy includes in this: 'members of the community with an interest in forestry'

[geoskid]

Set me straight.

There's no hope for that. Unless, god forbid, you go for a walk through a forest like this.....................

Hi SBS,

My request to set me straight referred to where my thinking might be wrong about what I actually wrote.

Posting yet another picture of a big tree, does not do that.

I have noticed that a standard response from you is to emplore one to go and see whatever your latest project is based around.
I have, many times.
My objection is to political spin from any side, and your side is no different.
My objection is based on a desire to see human problems solved by rational thinking, not by the biggest group recruited by emotional manipulation.

[geoskid]

What is being made up in this thread is an alternative story to what has been posted in the public notice by FT. There seems to be a reluctance to accept FT's up front account of what they are going to do.

What FT posts in a public notice isn't necessarily the whole truth. They post a sanitised version of events to raise the minimum public interest. Any wonder there is a reluctance to accept the sanitised version.

If you think FT is just doing some minor maintenance and they are not going to log the hell out of old growth forest coupes while their excuse covers their tracks then I have a beautiful bridge for you to buy. It's unique, and you will be surprised at the bargain price I have on it.

PH, you read the public notice, you know how to think ( I've seen it right here on other topics). A question for you. Why the lapse in standards on this topic and the notice in question?

[geoskid]

Thanks Aloftas,

I think humans have appointed themselves stewards (where might they have got that idea from) well before we realized we are just another species of animal. Pulling our heads in is probably too late. Happy to read more.
Cheers

I wont get into the theological aspects of stewardship.
What I will say is that we are pretty much the only species on the planet which must modify our habitat and wear clothes for survival..(Except for the rare Bakers Beach type of person)...and where we must modify, the animal kingdom adapts. Look at how a wallaby is at home on a fresh drift of snow...no postholing for that little guy..his nose points him in the direction and off he goes.,,bounding as if without a care and leaving an impression a few inches deep, if that.

No, humans are stewards because of capability, no other reason.

The cerebral coretex and the opposing thumb are a lethal combination.

What needs to happen, is sentience and salience need to collide.

By that, I mean that we must not only be cognizant of our surroundings a the course we are taking, but aware also of the subtleties and "etheric breezes" which are blowing.


Change is coming, and faster than many will anticipate.

We are on a world stage with plenty of overseas visitors. These people need to be accorded the respect they deserve, not to be seen as simply an opportunity for ten bucks a pie and coffee.

We...need to learn to resect the earth on which we tread, look out to the heavens with a sense of wonder, as I can ASSURE you, the heavens are looking at us, with a sense of wonder coupled with despair...

We cant be seen as wood hooking lumberjacks with an interest in minerals.

Timber, mining are essential, but must be held in balance with cutting edge adherence to worlds best practices, and not merely lip service.

Anyway.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Aloftas,

I agree with your thoughts about finding balance (broadly), but that will never be easy with 7 billion of us. How do you think 7 billion of us might go about finding a balance between using resources responsibly and using them greedily to satisfy never ending wants and desires.

Also, you can't assure me the heavens are looking at us, you can only assert that. I also think the idea that there is a higher being looking out/after us is a hindrance to the global population of humans taking seriously the idea that our future trajectory is dependent on our actions alone. We are pretty lucky here in Au I think, in that we don't have to deal with many of the immediate existential threats that many others around the world have to, yet we can not collectively arrive at policies to even begin to address the problems. It does my head in.

[corvus]

Love your use of words Geoskid

[aloftas]

Right.
I am going to defer this for a rainy day.

Not going to pollute this thread with my personal beliefs.
Cheers

[geoskid]

Right.
I am going to defer this for a rainy day.

Not going to pollute this thread with my personal beliefs.
Cheers

Right.
The forecast is for rain tomorrow.
Sleep tight.

[aloftas]

LOL... none of you would accept it and certainly none would want to hear it.
Best I keep my own counsel.
Quis ut Deus?!

[Mechanic-AL]

Anybody been down to this area recently?

Whats the damage?

AL

[flyfisher]

My mistake for diveing in Al.

Haven't followed the thread properly so I was thinking of a different topic.

Must get down for a look, but I think I'll wait till it dries out a bit and they clean the mess up.

FF

Last edited by flyfisher on Sun 30 Aug, 2015 3:27 pm, edited 2 times in total.

[Mechanic-AL]

Bit sensitive FF. "Damage" doesn't necessarily imply guilt does it ?

Not trying to open a can of worms again.........Like the question asks, I would just like to know what damage (if any ) has been done?

AL

[flyfisher]

My mistake.

Last edited by flyfisher on Sun 30 Aug, 2015 3:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[stepbystep]

Reports are the entire coupe has been clearfelled. I can't bring myself to head back in just yet...I'll head down in a cpl of weeks when my workload reduces.

[Mechanic-AL]

No worries at all Flyfisher.

Hope the trout are biting

AL

[stepbystep]

Today's Mockery apparently. Ain't we clever?

Attachments

10509620_10153315867398462_8615173614047045546_n.jpg (140.03 KiB) Viewed 16215 times

[stepbystep]

Thanks for the heads up about the road closure.

Makes sense to undertake the essential maintenance to the road and the Tahune airwalk in the quiet period and between school holidays.

To also undertake harvesting of a coupe scheduled for 2015/16 at the same time seems like efficient planning.

Well done FT.

The road is fine, believe their spin and you'll believe anything. I counted a dozen potholes max ...

I drove this road yesterday. Zero recent maintenance done and the log trucks have trashed it. There are now literally hundreds of potholes(no exageration) as opposed to the very few noted pre-logging. If I didn't know the truth of how FT and this government operate I'd be appalled. They are now fixing the road in/out of Geeveston to appease residents as the trucks also trashed that. WE, the Tasmanian taxpayer are kicked from pillar to post, paying every step of the way, all the while destroying our most valuable assett. The apologists for this activity with their heads in the sand(or snouts in the trough) should be truly ashamed. Tassie, Tassie, Tassie. Oi, Oi. Oi!

[Mechanic-AL]

This is just another example of mankind's unbelievable arrogance, of how we will always regard ourselves as the most important thing on the planet, even when we've reduced it to nothing more than a gigantic municipal tip flying around the sun.

Imagine if the politicians of Tasmania floated a plan to kill off 60 or 70 ' old growth ' people because it was discovered that when their bones and bodies were mashed up 25% of the resulting mess could be used to help keep some dying industry from a bygone era afloat. Lets face it, old folk are a renewable resource aren't they. The international media would be all over it. The politicians who dreamt up such an evil concept would be ridiculed and driven from office never to hold a position of power ever again. Tasmania would be made to hang it's head in shame.
Yet we can go out and mow down trees that for hundreds of years have been part of the lifeblood of this planet and it's page 5 news in the local rag.

Are we ever going to get it?? We AREN'T the most imortant living thing on the planet. The humble bee plays a more important role in keeping this rock spinning than we do!! But most of us will simply never be able to accept a simple fact like that.

I intend to register my disgust with the minister responsible and urge anyone else who feels strongly about this to do the same.

AL

[stepbystep]

I intend to register my disgust with the minister responsible and urge anyone else who feels strongly about this to do the same.

AL

Good on you AL. Totally agree....and look at the plight of the bees....

[vicrev]

This is just another example of mankind's unbelievable arrogance, of how we will always regard ourselves as the most important thing on the planet, even when we've reduced it to nothing more than a gigantic municipal tip flying around the sun.

Imagine if the politicians of Tasmania floated a plan to kill off 60 or 70 ' old growth ' people because it was discovered that when their bones and bodies were mashed up 25% of the resulting mess could be used to help keep some dying industry from a bygone era afloat. Lets face it, old folk are a renewable resource aren't they. The international media would be all over it. The politicians who dreamt up such an evil concept would be ridiculed and driven from office never to hold a position of power ever again. Tasmania would be made to hang it's head in shame.
Yet we can go out and mow down trees that for hundreds of years have been part of the lifeblood of this planet and it's page 5 news in the local rag.

Are we ever going to get it?? We AREN'T the most imortant living thing on the planet. The humble bee plays a more important role in keeping this rock spinning than we do!! But most of us will simply never be able to accept a simple fact like that.

I intend to register my disgust with the minister responsible and urge anyone else who feels strongly about this to do the same.

AL

Well said Al,shame Tassie public opinion doesn't hold the same views,obviously they don't......if they did there would not be this complete apathy towards the environment......jobs,jobs & more jobs are todays vote getters,stuff the environment,can always plant a nice pine forrest,put a state of the art dam in ,with nice waterfalls with a up to date Macca's to go to for breakie,lunch & tea......imagine the stampede when the money people get the green light to go in to the pristine areas.......as far as the minister responsible for these areas(who is supposed to be custodian for the wellbeing of these places)..what are his interests ,something else maybe?......I keep saying it & have been ridiculed for it...........follow the money trail....then you will see what the politicians real interests are....

[weetbix456]

Sorry to bring up an old thread, but just out of interest - is this the same mess along Arve Road that was apparently "cleared due to wind damage from November 2014"??? Surely they can't believe people are that stupid to believe such a funky smell...?? Lies & cover-ups only further fuel my distrust in such industry...

[waterfallman]

The logging is a definite. The "maintenance" of the road is total spin. We are all mushrooms. (Kept in the dark and fed bullsh*t).
This makes me so sad. And I am only about 65% "Green"! (!!!) We all need jobs yes, but as has been figured out long before this, it is only about 4% of the working population of Tas that are causing 100% of this carnage. And that bush carnage affects the other 96% of us. something is very very wrong about priorities here.
Sometimes, you've just got to suck it up and look for other work. Yes it is hard, but at 59yo, I was in the same boat, and no-one gave a f**k about me. Why should timber workers be a "special" "protected" species. I love those guys. They are tough and resilient and jovial... but enough is enough. Just pillage the existing pine & eucalypt plantations. Hands off 'most' of the old growth. They only need logs of 150mm diameter for building anyway. They can glue laminate for larger sizes. Or use laminated plywood beams. And Posistrut open web joists! I was a 40 year structural design draftsman in my other life, and I know what can be done!

[stepbystep]

Trouble here in Tasmania is the old guard who are/were in the pocket of the hydro, then the gunns/britain bros collective are still alive and protecting their legacy. Sadly their extended networks/families do the same, justifying the unjustifiable and condemning their children to a grim future....the Tarkine is currently being stripped for sweet fa...if only a few folk within the industry weren't so afraid to stand up...sigh...