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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby north-north-west » Tue 06 Aug, 2019 12:26 pm

Well, that's an interesting way to totally twist the BBF's objections to the proposal, isn't it.
Someone needs to tweet back to the twits that the objections are not about bushwalkers, as bushwalkers already visit the area. "Bushwalkers" and "experience-seekers with lots of money who need formed tracks and fancy huts" are not synonymous.
And what relevance are the range's status and mining exploration license? We're objecting to the area being damaged, the same way we object to ongoing damage in the non-NP, non-TWWHA Tarkine.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby Nuts » Thu 26 Sep, 2019 9:46 am

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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby lefroy » Thu 26 Sep, 2019 6:42 pm

I wonder how many people could be organised to 'dislike' this video on YouTube?
I'd be much happier if the west coast remained 'wild' as stated in the video
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby dee_legg » Thu 26 Sep, 2019 9:33 pm

How’s the brief mention of Tasmania’s aboriginal heritage which very quickly moves on to a very long string of words describing the European history of the area :roll:
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby Nuts » Fri 27 Sep, 2019 12:39 pm

And a shot at 'future prospects'. The 20mil is 'up to 20 mil' and the Tyndalls section seems to have become a primary focus. They're only about bullying 'greenies', this mob.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby Nuts » Fri 17 Jan, 2020 8:42 am

I'm wondering if there has been any news regarding the walk route?, touched on in this sweeping interview with Jen Fry @ 22.20 (which itself is interesting insight to park tourism if you have the time): https://player.fm/series/talking-touris ... th-jen-fry

It strikes me, throughout the interview how we are making the choice to populate parks (many of the new works are proactive to this choice) but even from a governance or management perspective, nobody really knows why (especially stark for anyone visiting Cradle Mt. recently.. Why would you?? Invariably they ask themselves when it's too late, overwhelmingly the question comes up 'What is there to do here', next we'll need to further develop interesting things to do..).

Out in parks we harden tracks, which is good because braiding has a chance to recover, and it's easier for more people/ different types of people, to walk further into the wilderness, to gnarly un-tracked places .. :?

Sure, there's money circulating. Our fat cats may help lift some work visa countries from poverty.., and there'll be more important seeming jobs for public servants to direct tourists around, hopefully keep some semblance of control.. (not for Jen, she's off to the fish farms :) )..
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby Hermione » Sun 02 Feb, 2020 6:22 pm

Quite apart from my misgivings about inviting the hoards into such a fragile place, I don’t really understand the Tyndalls as a choice for a paying/hut based walk. Yes, it’s undeniably beautiful but the weather is also undeniably rubbish a lot of the time. The plateau is surely a lot more exposed than a lot of other tracked walks. Look at the rescues that seem to occur on the overland with monotonous regularity. Plus, I just don’t think the type of walker this is aimed wants to endure those conditions.
Perhaps, the government is banking on climate change to improve the weather.
While I understand that the West Coast seems to be in pretty dire straits financially, I’m not convinced this will really help anyway.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby weetbix456 » Fri 28 Feb, 2020 10:51 pm

You’re completely right Hermione. It’s like spending two full days walking across the cirque on the Overland Track - and that is not a pleasant place to be on an angry day (which is quite common - even more so on the Tyndall’s!). It’s actually one of the strongest ticks for the Trans-Tarkine proposal - that most of it traverses more sheltered and lower elevated environments. Any consultation with bushwalkers should give the government the same response - so it makes you wonder who they have putting together these ideas in the first place. If they could simply let go of the anti-green and anti-bob brown stigma, I think a very classy product could be produced on the west coast where it is definitely much needed.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby Nuts » Wed 02 Sep, 2020 10:38 am

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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby north-north-west » Wed 02 Sep, 2020 10:54 am

" ... the “conceptual route” being considered had evolved to a single through-route corridor from the Anthony Highway near Lake Plimsoll to Lake Margaret, via Glacier Valley and Lake Huntley, then onwards south through the cluster of male-named 'M' lakes, then female-named 'M' lakes, and northwest of Lake Margaret. Up to four potential huts sites were indicated, one being Lake Huntley. The 'market research' is supposedly testing whether a 1, 2 or even 3-night model is most attractive."

Finishing at Margaret is a good idea. Withholding judgment until we get a map of the route. But how could you possibly drag that out into a 3 night walk? On a good track even doddery old me could do that in a day and half easily.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby Nuts » Wed 02 Sep, 2020 11:52 am

Yeah, it seems a waste to make such a big investment, a proposal that a basic low-level track and a single campsite would serve.
'Designed for politics', a pragmatic approach it seems would better focus on using the existing infrastructure and highlights, the many lakes and varying environs. Maybe not even a focus on walking a long way.. 'Next Iconic smart use of resources'.

Anyway.. I reckon the view from many points north of Lk Margaret is awesome enough (without needing to climb much higher).
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby Nuts » Fri 22 Jan, 2021 7:41 am

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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby gayet » Fri 22 Jan, 2021 7:50 am

Nuts wrote:https://www.westcoast.tas.gov.au/news/latest-news/tasmanias-next-iconic-walk-project-tyndall-range-west-coast?fbclid=IwAR272cKP9divzmve55Z-Z8dA0uXzddZL_FlxkcGpdeeUFwiN9zIBt-uIMU4


And the paragraph in the Latest News announcement
The Project is currently in the feasibility study stage. The PWS is seeking your assistance through a survey to identify the benefits you think will arise from this project, so that the feasibility study can be as comprehensive as possible.


Only 'benefits' will be considered in the feasibility study. I suppose thats one way of ensuring it gets a tick
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby Nuts » Fri 22 Jan, 2021 8:12 am

Not sure if it's also intentionally long winded and ambiguous .

They can make any walks a 'success', with the government-sized advertising budget.
I just wanted to say that routing an overnight walk over the range and building facilities up there was a bad idea (for the environs but I also suspect for safety and experience). But expect that this is the preferred money spinner, building facilities and exclusive-ating tracks.

A paragraph to council will cover it: wcc@westcoast.tas.gov.au
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby MrWalker » Fri 22 Jan, 2021 9:11 am

gayet wrote:Only 'benefits' will be considered in the feasibility study. I suppose that's one way of ensuring it gets a tick

That's not quite right. There is a section towards the end that asks about negative impacts.
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby doogs » Fri 22 Jan, 2021 11:52 am

I completed the survey and left many off the multi choice answers blank as they weren't relevant to my concerns. There's also plenty of blank boxes to get your opinions on. Certainly fill it out of you have any issues for our against this proposal.
I managed to convey that a multi day walk encompassing the Tyndall plateau was a bad idea environmentally and safety wise. Certainly improving day walks and a low altitude multi day walk would benefit the local economy more in my opinion (longer season, use of local accommodation etc.)
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Re: Have your say on Tassie’s next iconic multi-day walk

Postby Nuts » Fri 22 Jan, 2021 12:48 pm

It is good to see at least some attempt to get community views. And yes there may be capacity to point out negatives, and they may be read or gleaned for more than speed bumps in a project.

Even so, whatever the project, it's generated by funding from this government and they never asked whether anyone wanted to commercialise parks, or make them pay. I'm sure i'm not the only one looking for that as a lead in question.

Q1: Do you think walking track projects should be generated by public consultation and implemented by independent park managers, geared to minimal impact and conservative or do you think that they should be demanded by politicians, geared to extracting the most return in votes? (possibly revenue but even that is speculative)

The commercial push was on the back of vague policy that was very likely missed by voters (or those that bothered to find out what policies they voted in). It doesn't really matter whether a project is proposed by Daniel Hackett or Bob Brown, there is already a lot of assumption in even proposing such public projects, or responding to them. Or playing any role in shaping them. That this is all we are doing. The examples of what is considered appropriate make it starkly obvious that the end game isn't a few random day walks or even an overnight 'icon'. Using that word is geared in hope for being seen to make more money.. which can only appear most successful with private huts and exclusivity or associated ways of drilling out the most money ($500 cabin stays with no dirty camping, this probably wont even be enough now?).

The bush doesn't benefit, so if the most money isn't extracted, not only do we just damage more wild places, the government's policy is diminished! Projects can be made seem smaller or lesser (at least to start with), or ministers may not even grasp future implications, but the immediate desired result is really quite simple to understand?

Borrowed from another recent topic, along these lines:

"I work in, and personally care about, urban planning and infrastructure construction, and there is this same meta problem I have no idea where to solve, whereby the government will never actually ask the community "should this be built or not, or maybe something else completely?", only "we're building it, what colour do you want the noise walls to be"

P.S Goodness, I do get carried away! 20mill for tourism?, yeah, smart investment!
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