Evans Crown summit

[paul8]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d5wuH3 ... sp=sharing
Above link is a picture of Evans Crown near Tarana/Lithgow.
Is it possible to climb up bare hand, up the top boulder, and be at the summit of Evans Crown ?
If possible, from which side of the top boulder do you climb up ?

[sandym]

Based on your picture, unless you are a pretty good rock climber or boulderer, I would say no. Even a good rock climber/boulderer is going to have to solo (that is, no protection in case of a fall) the route so they need to be completely confident they will not fall. I assume "bare hand" means without aid. This is all on the caveat that there is not an easy route around the other side. The side facing the camera is undercut granite with down sloping holds, and, even if you get up you then have to get off.

[awmross]

I have been up the top of Evans Crown standing next to that boulder. I remember it being around the size of a house. There was no way I could climb it. From my estimation you would need some kind of rock climbing skills and/or equipment.

I took this photo of the boulder while standing next to it. The camera is at eye level. That wall is at least twice my height.

https://www.theglassonthebar.net/public/EvansCrown.jpg

I found a fairly easy way to get to that rock. Approach from the north, climb halfway up the summit, then head clockwise around until I found a steep narrow slot ramp that took me almost straight to the top. It didn't involve any scary climbs. Every other direction I tried was pretty scary.

Message me and I will send you a gpx if you want.

[tom_brennan]

You can see the routes to the summit at:
https://www.thecrag.com/en/climbing/aus ... 1753663440

They start at about Grade 13 (rock climbing).

[sandym]

Problem is, none of those climb the big boulder that is the absolute summit that paul8 (ultimate peakbagger - nothing wrong with that) wants to climb.

There are no reported boulder routes to the top so I think short of somehow tossing a rope from one side to the other, anchoring the far side and ascending via jumars or prussics, paul8 is out of luck. Or, use a ladder.

[paul8]

awmross - I had reached the spot next to the large boulder in your photo.
It is this boulder I'm interested in climbing ... so as to reach the summit of Evans Crown

tom_brennan - thanks.
At a cursory glance, nothing in thecrag website seems be useful for me.
I'll take a more detailed look later.

sandym » Mon 08 Aug, 2022 2:09 pm ... sums up what I wants to do
May be not possible

[sandym]

Yeah, the crag guide won't help. The climbing routes are not on that summit boulder. I think you are hooped getting up the final summit boulder. Even if you did manage to toss a rope over, ascend with prussics/jumars, that is not really fair means. Even peak baggers have ethics, right?

[north-north-west]

Even if you did manage to toss a rope over, ascend with prussics/jumars, that is not really fair means. Even peak baggers have ethics, right?

This is a weird comment. Peakbagging is peakbagging - you get up any way you can. The Tasmanian Peakbaggers' official criterion (from the lists put out by the HWC) is "You have to touch the very tippy top"; no more. I know people who've carried folding ladders to get up the summit boulder on Mayson. It counts.
By your standards, no artifical assistance would be permitted, but how far do you take that? Permanent ladders? Tracks? Gloves and shoes?

Bouldering is a different thing.

[Warin]

Even if you did manage to toss a rope over, ascend with prussics/jumars, that is not really fair means. Even peak baggers have ethics, right?

This is a weird comment. Peakbagging is peakbagging - you get up any way you can. The Tasmanian Peakbaggers' official criterion (from the lists put out by the HWC) is "You have to touch the very tippy top"; no more.

So a parachute is ok... as is a helicopter ...

[north-north-west]

So a parachute is ok... as is a helicopter ...

Technically, yes. If you could invent a matter transporter that got you there alive, that would also count.

I would, however, submit that there is a difference between using a helicopter to land you on the summit and using ropes/ladders to climb. With the latter you are still using your own physical efforts to get there.

[sandym]

Peakbagging is peakbagging - you get up any way you can. The Tasmanian Peakbaggers' official criterion (from the lists put out by the HWC) is "You have to touch the very tippy top"; no more. I know people who've carried folding ladders to get up the summit boulder on Mayson. It counts.
By your standards, no artifical assistance would be permitted, but how far do you take that? Permanent ladders? Tracks? Gloves and shoes?

Not everyone will define "peakbagging" as you get up anyway you can nor use the Tasmanian Peakbaggers criterion. If you used a ladder in some other countries/cultures you could be accused of cheating, even among "peakbaggers."

As a Dilbert reader, I can also easily recognise a false dichotomy.

As yet, we live in a free society so Paul8 gets to make his own definition, which will very likely differ from mine and yours.

[north-north-west]

Peakbagging is peakbagging - you get up any way you can. The Tasmanian Peakbaggers' official criterion (from the lists put out by the HWC) is "You have to touch the very tippy top"; no more. I know people who've carried folding ladders to get up the summit boulder on Mayson. It counts.
By your standards, no artifical assistance would be permitted, but how far do you take that? Permanent ladders? Tracks? Gloves and shoes?

Not everyone will define "peakbagging" as you get up anyway you can nor use the Tasmanian Peakbaggers criterion. If you used a ladder in some other countries/cultures you could be accused of cheating, even among "peakbaggers."

As a Dilbert reader, I can also easily recognise a false dichotomy.

OK, exactly which aids do you consider to be acceptable, and which are not? And does that mean that, by your standards, no-one can claim to have peak-bagged Everest if they use what is considered to be standard equipment, procedures and assistance, such as ropes, oxygen, sherpas, etc? And why is carrying rope & ascenders or a ladder and using it on an otherwise unclimbable rock, "cheating"?

[Warin]

OK, exactly which aids do you consider to be acceptable, and which are not?

Would constructing steps in rock faces be 'acceptable'?
Say using a scutching tool... could even add an angle grinder...

[north-north-west]

OK, exactly which aids do you consider to be acceptable, and which are not?

Would constructing steps in rock faces be 'acceptable'?
Say using a scutching tool... could even add an angle grinder...

Environmental damage is a different thing. I'm asking about standard climbing equipment.