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Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Thu 09 Nov, 2023 11:35 am
by oldsalt671
We hiked this again over Cup weekend 2023. Some short notes and time comparisons from 2021. A lot of work has been done on the AAWT section of the track. Times include breaks lunch etc

Pics including some video of the watering points
https://photos.app.goo.gl/BrPfvFTyDXzAs5vk7

1. Trail Head to Mt Speculation

Water at Macalister Springs was flowing well. A few patches of snow on the southern slopes of Howitt. The track was in good condition and quite fast through the Mt Buggery section. The rope is still in place on the first scramble on Mt Speculation. Camp Creek flowing well.

Time: 6 hrs vs 8 hrs (2021)


2. Mt Speculation to Viking Saddle

A prominent pad for the first part of the descent of Spec. Not sure but the scrub seemed thinner than last time. The GPX track leads to a gully, which is the track for the remainder of the descent onto the 4WD track above Catherine Saddle. Some excellent work was done clearing the track over the back of Mt Despair. You fly through this section now. We walked out to The Razor. Head up past the Cairn and bias left (west) to get to the top of the ridge, this way, you can avoid some of the more scrubby gullies and sets you up for the path of least resistance along the ridge.

The final section of the track between The Razor and Viking Saddle has been transformed. This used to be a commando course of fallen trees that have now been removed. The spring at Viking Saddle was flowing, but you needed a piece of bark to get a decent flow for filling bottles, etc. See the pics and video above

Mt Spec to The Razor: 3.5 hrs vs 5.5 hrs inc lunch on the way (2021)
The Razor: 1 hr vs 1 hr (2021)
The Razor to Viking Saddle: 1 hr vs 2 hrs (2021)

3. Viking Saddle to Wonnangatta River

The track up to the Viking is well-formed and doesn’t seem to have degraded. The rope seems in good condition at the climb at the top of the Viking ascent. A few cairns to guide you from the pack drop point below The Viking out to South Viking. From South Viking, we followed the cairns along the ridge. Lots of trees down as you start scrub bashing. It’s always a bit of a compromise between sticking to the GPX track and working your way around the fallen trees. We ended up “constant contouring” a little off the ridge before picking up where the trail starts to become more defined at the rocky section around 1200m. The trail definition improves as you descend further. Towards the bottom, someone had spray-painted yellow markers on the trees to guide you into the campsite.

Viking Saddle to South Viking: 3:15 hrs vs 4 hrs
South Viking Wonnangatta: 3:20 hrs vs 3:20 hrs (2021)

4. Wonnangatta River to Carpark

The river crossing was straightforward as the water level was down a bit on last time. Some cairns mark an entry into the smaller tributary crossing. We crossed and then scrambled up only to find a well-formed track. So the real crossing is probably 30m further along the track. We managed to beat all but two 4WD on Zeka Spur Track, so it pays to leave early otherwise, you are choking on dust. It was also a lot cooler than 2021 which helped with the climb

We decided to walk past the first set of ribbons that mark the start of the trail off Zeka Spur Track and go to where the GPX track shows the actual start. There is a cairn and also some ribbon here. The extra elevation gain was worth it.

Coming across the top, there is a lot of timber down. We could occasionally pick up a pad/or the remnants of the 4WD track.

Wonnangatta to Zeka Spur Turnoff: 2.5 hrs vs 3.5 hrs (2021)
Zeka Spur Turnoff to Carpark: 3.5 hrs vs 4 hrs (2021)

One of the best hikes in Victoria for my money.

Cheers

Nigel

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Fri 10 Nov, 2023 8:13 am
by Baeng72
Nice update and info!
Sounds like a good time to do the circuit.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Sun 12 Nov, 2023 1:32 pm
by oldsalt671
Definitely, I have heard some horror stories about this one at the wrong time of year. This area seems to suck the water out of you even in early Spring. The thought of arriving unprepared for a dry Viking Saddle later in the season is my nightmare scenario.

Edit: Also worth noting the times above are to illustrate the track improvements. It took us two hours previously to get from The Razor to the Saddle in 2021 this dropped to 1hr and a lack of cramps by clearing all that fallen timber. A massive change. Thank-you who ever you are.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Sun 12 Nov, 2023 8:21 pm
by paidal_chalne_vala
A top effort. Good photos.
BTAC are going to
clear the Zeka Spur walking track so that it will become a super walking highway. This is going to happen soon!
i.e Jan. 26-29th 2024.
Once this is completed then two sections of the Viking circuit will have been cleared within 24 months.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Sun 12 Nov, 2023 8:37 pm
by oldsalt671
paidal_chalne_vala wrote:A top effort. Good photos.
BTAC are going to
clear the Zeka Spur walking track so that it will become a super walking highway. This is going to happen soon!
Once this is completed then two sections of the Viking circuit will have been cleared within 24 months.

Legends! Figured it must have been you guys. Will be in touch, there was definitely some “thanks be the gods and where do we send the slab” :D

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Sun 12 Nov, 2023 8:44 pm
by paidal_chalne_vala
Parks Vic. cleared the Mt. Spec. to the Viking section. Bushwalking Vic. volunteers will clear the Howitt Plains Car park to Mac. Springs and Mt. Howitt path and the Zeka spur walking track. No beer as a gift is necessary. Just go the Bushwalking Victoria website and find the "Get involved / BTAC" links. Find a working Bee that you can attend and help us to help other bushwalkers & fix the tracks in remote places.

https://bushwalkingvictoria.org.au/btac/

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Mon 22 Jan, 2024 10:33 am
by LLSC
Please ignore the advice of PCV. I can send you a private message with my address to send the slab and I'll make sure it gets to those who deserve it. :lol:

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Tue 23 Jan, 2024 4:16 pm
by Xplora
LLSC wrote:Please ignore the advice of PCV. I can send you a private message with my address to send the slab and I'll make sure it gets to those who deserve it. :lol:


Much better to be proactive and get the beer sent to the worksite. Really appreciate all that BTAC does.

Please don't send Carlton Draught or XXXX. They are not beer and these people are worth more than that.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Tue 23 Jan, 2024 6:12 pm
by Baeng72
Slight on topic.
Does anybody know or reckon the water situtation with the recent rain at VIking Saddle would be favorable?
I'm guessing Mac. Springs, Camp Creek would be fine.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Fri 26 Jan, 2024 7:18 pm
by oldsalt671
Probably the best January I can recall. Just don’t rely on it. Even in November I would carry spare water, but running low on water is my nightmare scenario

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Fri 26 Jan, 2024 8:13 pm
by Cammo
Hiked up to Mt. Howitt from the carpark a couple of weeks ago. Looked pretty obvious to me that horses had been ridden through there recently. Not sure but l would have thought that was a no go, specially the section after mac springs. Make a mess of the track, and that's without the trail of poop!

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Sat 27 Jan, 2024 7:41 am
by Xplora
Cammo wrote:Hiked up to Mt. Howitt from the carpark a couple of weeks ago. Looked pretty obvious to me that horses had been ridden through there recently. Not sure but l would have thought that was a no go, specially the section after mac springs. Make a mess of the track, and that's without the trail of poop!


Horse riding is allowed. Refer to Greater Alpine National Park Management Plan. The plan refers to maps but the maps are not in the pdf version. Can be hard to find the maps online but the information is in the plan. Deer hunting is also allowed in that area.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Sat 27 Jan, 2024 8:46 am
by Cammo
Xplora wrote:
Cammo wrote:Hiked up to Mt. Howitt from the carpark a couple of weeks ago. Looked pretty obvious to me that horses had been ridden through there recently. Not sure but l would have thought that was a no go, specially the section after mac springs. Make a mess of the track, and that's without the trail of poop!


Horse riding is allowed. Refer to Greater Alpine National Park Management Plan. The plan refers to maps but the maps are not in the pdf version. Can be hard to find the maps online but the information is in the plan. Deer hunting is also allowed in that area.


Thanks. This is what l found. Horse pass area - dispersed. Horse camping is not permitted. Horse passes required.
It may well have been a once-off or rare allowance for them to pass through that section from mac springs as it is generally a walking track. I spoke with a horse tour operator at Craigs Hut a few weeks back and they said they had to change routes due to impossible river crossings.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Sat 27 Jan, 2024 1:49 pm
by Xplora
Cammo wrote:
Xplora wrote:
Cammo wrote:Hiked up to Mt. Howitt from the carpark a couple of weeks ago. Looked pretty obvious to me that horses had been ridden through there recently. Not sure but l would have thought that was a no go, specially the section after mac springs. Make a mess of the track, and that's without the trail of poop!


Horse riding is allowed. Refer to Greater Alpine National Park Management Plan. The plan refers to maps but the maps are not in the pdf version. Can be hard to find the maps online but the information is in the plan. Deer hunting is also allowed in that area.


Thanks. This is what l found. Horse pass area - dispersed. Horse camping is not permitted. Horse passes required.
It may well have been a once-off or rare allowance for them to pass through that section from mac springs as it is generally a walking track. I spoke with a horse tour operator at Craigs Hut a few weeks back and they said they had to change routes due to impossible river crossings.


I was there just after a horse group had gone through. It was wet and they decided to not follow the normal track down from the spring. One group of horses made a completely new track. That is all it took. There are some places where dispersed riding will not work because it is too narrow but dispersed is certainly better for the vegetation on the ground.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Sat 27 Jan, 2024 5:35 pm
by Baeng72
oldsalt671 wrote:Probably the best January I can recall. Just don’t rely on it. Even in November I would carry spare water, but running low on water is my nightmare scenario

Yeah, mine too.
I came down with a lurgy, so no walking this long weekend.
Maybe in March or April...

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan, 2024 8:49 am
by Camminata
Baeng72 wrote:
oldsalt671 wrote:Probably the best January I can recall. Just don’t rely on it. Even in November I would carry spare water, but running low on water is my nightmare scenario

Yeah, mine too.
I came down with a lurgy, so no walking this long weekend.
Maybe in March or April...


was up on the crosscut via sns spur, pulled the pin on second day and come back down its too hot to be lugging extra water

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan, 2024 10:45 am
by Baeng72
Camminata wrote:
Baeng72 wrote:
oldsalt671 wrote:Probably the best January I can recall. Just don’t rely on it. Even in November I would carry spare water, but running low on water is my nightmare scenario

Yeah, mine too.
I came down with a lurgy, so no walking this long weekend.
Maybe in March or April...


was up on the crosscut via sns spur, pulled the pin on second day and come back down its too hot to be lugging extra water

Good water flow at SNS campsite?
You're made of sterner stuff than I.
If I had went over the long weekend, I was gonna just slog it up Howitt Spur.
After King Spur and Strath Creek Falls, I've sort of had my fill for the moment of scrambling in the heat. :D

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan, 2024 1:13 pm
by Camminata
Yes good strong flow, does it ever run dry?? I reckon you are sterner mate

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Wed 14 Feb, 2024 10:33 am
by Ironfox
I completed the circuit 2 weeks ago and can confirm good flows at all major/usual sources, even Viking Saddle (rare for late Jan/Feb!). Walked in from Cobbler Lake and spent first night on Mt Spec. Started early and with ultra light pack made fast progress over Despair & Razor. This section was easier to follow than previous trips. Collected water at the saddle and up onto the Viking by mid morning. First time down Sth Viking and thanks to those who took the time to build the cairns, only a little nav wobble up high when the ridge line broadens and the vegetation is thick. Quick stop at Wonnangatta River- stunning part of the world! Had a little trouble navigating around the creek to get to Zeka Tk but not too stressful. Zeka Tk is a beast! Underestimated its length and missing the walking track didn’t help! Was thankful for a number of rivulets & small flows along the road which saved me in the heat of the afternoon (a wet summer has its advantages). GPS said 20km for the full length of Zeka! Staggered in to Mac Springs and watch showed 47km in over 12 hours for the day. Definitely bit off more than I could chew. In bed at 8pm and slept like the dead. About 3 hours back to Camp Ck and another 2 back to the car. This is a special walk in a special place.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Wed 14 Feb, 2024 10:53 am
by Baeng72
Thanks for the report Ironfox. Nice one!
I've thought about trying the circuit starting from Cobbler Lake as it's an easier approach than from Upper Howqua (I know, you can drive for ever to get to Howitt Plains).
47km in a day, my best is 30km. That's big distance.
You really set a good pace if 3 hours from Mac. Springs to Camp Ck and then 2 hours for the 13km section from Camp Ck to Cobbler Lake!
I don't think I could walk about 7km an hour, that speed would be a jog for me. And I don't think I could jog 5km, let alone more than double. :)
I wonder if instead of Zeka, but head upstream beside the Wonnangatta and then up ridge beside Devil's Staircase to Mac Springs, about 7-8km, would be preferable to Zeka. There was a track, but I guess blackberries might be an issue.
Anyway, good one.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Sun 18 Feb, 2024 2:34 pm
by Ironfox
Thanks Baeng72, yep - I have seen a few older posts on this site where people have walked ‘up’ the Wonnangatta and then followed the appropriate spur up to the Devils Staircase. This would be a really interesting and inticing route but the regrowth, including beside the river is fairly imposing in such a remote section. Once committed there would be no turning back. I see on older maps that there used to be a track from Catherine Saddle that used to follow the Wonnangatta from its headwaters beneath Sth Viking.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Mon 19 Feb, 2024 3:54 pm
by peregrinator
Ironfox wrote: Once committed there would be no turning back.


Nicely put. File under "educational experiences".

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Fri 23 Feb, 2024 6:04 pm
by paidal_chalne_vala
Another way out of the Wonngatta River valley is the Dry
River track. BTAC cleared and tagged the whole thing from the confluence of Dry River and the Wonnangatta River to Guy's hut/ Bryce's gorge.
It was very hard going in the heat when we remarked and cleared the
track in January 2022(?). It is remote and not for people whose navigation skills are in their early stages.
The problem is Once you pop out at Guy's hut the walk to The Howitt Plains Car park is considerable but basically flat on the ridge top Howitt road.
Havng two cars would eliminate this as an issue in green season.
I will ask our team leader if the Zeka Spur track has been cleared yet.
. I was away skiing in Japan when they were set to do that working bee.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Fri 08 Mar, 2024 12:49 pm
by paidal_chalne_vala
The Zeka spur walking track has not been cleared yet. The Jan.2024 BTAC
working bee was postponed due to fire risk.
Watch this space for updates on this route and its rehabilitation.

Re: Viking Circuit

PostPosted: Sun 24 Mar, 2024 10:11 am
by Baeng72
Water situation Camp Creek - 22/03/24
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Camp Creek Flow