Missing Victorian hiker possibly killed

[DanYong]

Tragic. Makes me think what's out there. Perhaps I should carry a "bush knife" for protection.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/missi ... m423j.html

[GPSGuided]

But they have semiautomatics. Don't think knife is the key to self protection here.

[perfectlydark]

Hmm reminds me of that thread where the american woman was killed. People said it couldnt happen here...
Tragic

[Moondog55]

I come across MaryJane crops all the time and I've never had a problem, they almost always have electric fences around them to keep of the deer and wallabies

[wayno]

whats the population of australia? what are the chances of this happening to an individual? what are the chances of having a car accident?
perspective....
for all the stories tha come out of america, its a population of over 300 million.... you're far far safer in the wilderness there since the vast majority of the 30,000 people shot dead there every year are shot in urban environments...

[DanYong]

I come across MaryJane crops all the time and I've never had a problem, they almost always have electric fences around them to keep of the deer and wallabies

Really. Shouldn't you be reporting it to the police?

[DanYong]

whats the population of australia? what are the chances of this happening to an individual? what are the chances of having a car accident?
perspective....
for all the stories tha come out of america, its a population of over 300 million.... you're far far safer in the wilderness there since the vast majority of the 30,000 people shot dead there every year are shot in urban environments...

This story didn't "come out of the USA" it came out of AUS, Vic.

[wayno]

whats the population of australia? what are the chances of this happening to an individual? what are the chances of having a car accident?
perspective....
for all the stories tha come out of america, its a population of over 300 million.... you're far far safer in the wilderness there since the vast majority of the 30,000 people shot dead there every year are shot in urban environments...

This story didn't "come out of the USA" it came out of AUS, Vic.

yes and its one incident out of an entire state... of how many millions of people? how many people will die this week in road accidents this year?

[DanYong]

whats the population of australia? what are the chances of this happening to an individual? what are the chances of having a car accident?
perspective....
for all the stories tha come out of america, its a population of over 300 million.... you're far far safer in the wilderness there since the vast majority of the 30,000 people shot dead there every year are shot in urban environments...

This story didn't "come out of the USA" it came out of AUS, Vic.

yes and its one incident out of an entire state... of how many millions of people? how many people will die this week in road accidents this year?

I'm not looking at the stats or probabilities. Its just very concerning that there are in this country illegal drug farms and that one can stumble onto one without knowing. Let's not compare ourselves to the land of chaos (USA). We should compare ourselves and our wilderness areas against the likes of NZ, Taiwan (which btw has more than 100 mountains over 3000 meters and is very safe), Japan, or even our neighbouring state - Tasmania.

[whitefang]

Completely off topic, but the USA has some excellent wilderness areas. Just look at the Sierras, Utah and Arizona for the canyonlands, the pacfic northwest, yellowstone NP, colorado, Alaska... and those are just well known places.

[wayno]

NZ has no shortage of illegal dope plantations as well and some rather tense dope growers, but your statistical chances of getting killed by them is virtually nil, tiny little area of land that it is.... theres still plenty of space to spare... no amount of trying by the police has ben able to even make a dent in the dope crop...

[Moondog55]

I come across MaryJane crops all the time and I've never had a problem, they almost always have electric fences around them to keep of the deer and wallabies

Really. Shouldn't you be reporting it to the police?

Absolutely not
I'm not a believer in the governments power to restrict individual freedoms
Should never have been made illegal in the first place, my grandparents were born last century and they told me it was one of the most common of the traditional bush medicines available at the turn of the century and even my ultra conservative Irish Grandmother used it
her comment was that it was typical of the B****** English to ban poor peoples medicines in favour of the pharmacists profits [ She did hate the English ] and I believe my maternal Grandfather may have grown some in his back yard from time to time

[Moondog55]

Dan 99% of the dope is grown under lights in the suburbs and isn't the same plant, Sensimillia won't grow in the bush
I'm far more worried about the Meths lab in the next street blowing up and taking us with it

[neilmny]

.........
I'm far more worried about the Meths lab in the next street blowing up and taking us with it

X2 MD

Tragic as the OP is, this is very old news, 7 years old. It seems the family has brought it to the surface on or about an anniversary of the gentlemans disappearing. I feel strongly for the family and don't blame them for bringing up what appears to be a poorly investigated disappearance. It is tough enough to lose a loved one but to never really know why someone didn't come home would be the worst imaginable.

This is not a wilderness incident either, Dom Dom Saddle is on a main highway just out of Melbourne.
I mention this to highlight the fact that the area is easily accessible to anyone who would want to go there.

So we are not being killed off in the wild country and to my way of thinking the further from the big smoke you get the safer you are in terms of meeting some nutter that would do you in.

[Moondog55]

7 years So needs the ruling so the estate can be settled up

[DanYong]

Interesting points of views from everyone....
yes perhaps the further you get the less likely u run into some nutter.

[devoswitch]

I come across MaryJane crops all the time and I've never had a problem, they almost always have electric fences around them to keep of the deer and wallabies

Really. Shouldn't you be reporting it to the police?

Absolutely not
I'm not a believer in the governments power to restrict individual freedoms
Should never have been made illegal in the first place, my grandparents were born last century and they told me it was one of the most common of the traditional bush medicines available at the turn of the century and even my ultra conservative Irish Grandmother used it
her comment was that it was typical of the B****** English to ban poor peoples medicines in favour of the pharmacists profits [ She did hate the English ] and I believe my maternal Grandfather may have grown some in his back yard from time to time

Very well said Moondog and congrats for being one of the very few individuals willing to speak up against the governments atrocious ban against such an amazingly healing plant.

I also come across a fair bit of it in the bush however it's usually booby traps that you have to be more aware of than people with guns. There's a lot of holes with spikes and fish hooks hanging from thin line you can hardly see until too late.

[walkerchris77]

Stuffed up world we live in. Sad..

[Moondog55]

It's why I think the constitution needs to be rewritten to include a bill of rights so people with very narrow word views can't do this sort of thing in the future
As for the poor bloke who went missing it's probably nothing sinister at all. I remember being caught short on a popular track in a well traveled area a while ago and while looking for somewhere private to take care of business I tripped over a blowdown and almost broke a leg
If the same thing happened to this bloke and no-one heard his shouts for help [ and I know how hard it is to hear a shout in thick bush] and he was unable to crawl to the path in 4 days he's toast usually

[GPSGuided]

On the point of medicinal use, in the modern era of science, there are many alternate medications that can far appropriately treat the various conditions so named. Dope is a barbiturate and it only masks symptoms than actually treat diseases. For that, opium and heroin might even do better. All with addictive properties. Nice?

[vicrev]

Curious to know the medicinal benefits of this "" amazing healing plant"".........

[Moondog55]

Simply feeling good could be considered medicinal
I don't use but personally I consider prohibition the absolute worst type of lawmaking. It punishes and turns into criminals otherwise normally law abiding citizens
PM incoming GPS

[neilmny]

On the point of medicinal use, in the modern era of science, there are many alternate medications that can far appropriately treat the various conditions so named. Dope is a barbiturate and it only masks symptoms than actually treat diseases. For that, opium and heroin might even do better. All with addictive properties. Nice?

Keep in mind that analgesics are addictive as well and there are s loads of people addicted to them.
I'm not a "smoker" but I think the real deal is an issue of taxation.

[GPSGuided]

Keep in mind that analgesics are addictive as well and there are s loads of people addicted to them.
I'm not a "smoker" but I think the real deal is an issue of taxation.

Hence anything beyond Panadeine are controlled.

Taxation tends to induce a drag. Nothing is simple.

[Moondog55]

To get back to the OP I am generally distrustful of the Victorian Police and I assume as a matter of personal distrust that anything they say like this is in pursuit of a separate political agenda to increase their own powers

[Travis22]

My wife and i went up there after the official search was called off to help look for Warren.

I dont think ive ever hiked off track in bush so thick, damp and slippery as hell (as a deer stalker who spends more time off track then on thats saying something!).

I never bought into the whole murdered theory from the get go and until there is solid proof ill continue to believe he had some sort of accident (tripped/fell or heart attack etc) and in bush that thick he could have been feet from searchers and they never saw him.

Travis.

[DarrenM]

My wife and i went up there after the official search was called off to help look for Warren.

I dont think ive ever hiked off track in bush so thick, damp and slippery as hell (as a deer stalker who spends more time off track then on thats saying something!).

I never bought into the whole murdered theory from the get go and until there is solid proof ill continue to believe he had some sort of accident (tripped/fell or heart attack etc) and in bush that thick he could have been feet from searchers and they never saw him.

Travis.

I have the same kind of thought process about anyone missing in similar circumstances. There were some unlikely, but certainly probable scenarios put forward for the Canadian chap that went missing in Kosciuszko recently, and after getting involved came to the same conclusion. We could have waked within two feet of him and never have known.

Good on you for getting involved too.

[icefest]

I don't use but personally I consider prohibition the absolute worst type of lawmaking. It punishes and turns into criminals otherwise normally law abiding citizens

This could apply against any law, without any laws you would have no criminals.
Without laws against murder, murderers would be normal law abiding citizens. Ditto for theft, extortion, rape, and pedophillia. I'm not saying that you support these, rather mentioning what is often considered a fallacy of defining lawmaking like in this way.


I personally think there is a lack of evidence, but that there is a potential for cannabinoid receptor based therapy, but that similar to willow bark tea, there needs to be a pure chemical structure, with defined concentration and dosing (in the case of willow bark tea, its aspirin).

[Moondog55]

That's taking it a little far
I guess I should have stated that what an individual does to himself and by himself that does no harm to other people in no concern of lawmakers. Like peoples sexuality or religious beliefs
BTW it isn't aspirin Aspirin was a trademarked product name that has become generic over time
Acetalsalicylic acid just doesn't roll off the tongue very well

[north-north-west]

I guess I should have stated that what an individual does to himself and by himself that does no harm to other people in no concern of lawmakers. Like peoples sexuality or religious beliefs.

Very well put.
(Although the problem with religion is that people do have this insistence on passing it on to their children...)