Ski touring day pack

[Moondog55]

I thought it was time I posted the pictures of my new S/H ski touring pack
Bought the WE Jagungal from ausjmc10 last month and I've just done some minor work unpicking some excess stitching and replacing the hip pads with ones in my size
Here is the link to the photo album with all the pictures.
The neck pouch is one I got on my last Qantas flight with a better lanyard and lives around my neck usually, compass, and whistle. USB Dongle has all of my details including photos of my passport etc Little photon light, fire kit, Frontier Super-straw water filter and my trusty and recently resharpened Swiss Army Knife.
The Lowe bum bag I have had for at least 30 years and much modified from original, I can fit my army water bottle and any of my detachable pouches to it and the home made shoulder harness means weights to around 8 kilos are an easy enough carry.
One day I will replace the herrings in tomato sauce which is my basic emergency ration [ I don't like them so I'd only eat them in a real emergency ] as these are 10 YO or more.
Duplication but I believe in a reasonable level of redundancy in the essentials of fire and water

https://plus.google.com/photos/10449691 ... 2311108289

Poncho needs to be replaced with something a lot lighter [ MYOG silnylon tarp needed] and perhaps I don't really need 2 emergency head coverings. Plenty of room for the clothing I strip off as it gets hot and sunny and I warm up and my assumption is that I have with me also a full set of winter clothing worn at the start of the day adequate plus for the conditions

[beean]

I have to say, that's a lot of stuff for day touring. How far from the car do you normally go? Do you go alone? What sort of temps do you expect when you're out?

When looking at my set up I suppose many would say that I don't allow for emergency use. Each to their own, I guess.

[Empty]

I see you have a pocket knife with a cork screw. Always an encouraging sign and proof that you are truly prepared for the best kind of emergency such as being lost in a chateau perhaps

[Moondog55]

Beean it's for winter, ski touring and such so I prepare for the possible worst that could happen -18C would be survival temperature certainly cold; shivery and uncomfortable but survivable add the half bag tho and I'd get another 14 degrees out of it.
Yes I could pare down a bit too and not carry triplicates and duplicates

[beean]

Yup, I get that it's for ski touring. Maybe I should consider bringing my sleeping bag when I head out touring from now on..

[Moondog55]

Lets just say that when I start out I'm already 8 to 12 klicks from the car park and my day trips could be from 15 to 30 klicks
Truth is that I over-pack but some of that stuff I started to carry when I had kids with me and I continue to do so now because every now and then I come across other people in trouble
The Dutch poncho is a substitute for my broken Megamid as the MYOG tarp is still not started, I carry a much smaller pack when skiing the runs but basically the same gear

[slparker]

That lowe setup looks like army webbing in function.

[Moondog55]

That lowe setup looks like army webbing in function.

Absolutely
Familiar with it and its function, capabilities and drawbacks
I can add any combination of ALICE or MOLLE gear to it. Took me about an hour to sew up the shoulder harness by hand and the wide polyester tubular really spreads the weight, the waist belt part took a few hours to get right
I then added the extra web ladder on the back of the H-harness to allow the S2S water bag to be carried there if need be or to strap other gear [ like wet poncho or spare jacket] if I need to and do not have a rucksack with me.
Water bottle on one hip and a SAW pouch on the other and still room for a FAK or other stuff like a second water bottle. The original M-1956 battle order was well thought out but clunky in implementation. '56 bum bag is twice the size expanded
The Lowe bag swaps from pack to pack so I always have a compass etc with me and don't have to think about where all the little stuff is

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Those Herrings look like they have been around the traps. Pretty sure I saw the same tin on an episode of M.A.S.H.

You know that if you eat them and then get lost, no matter how loud you yell people will not be able to hear you. You'll be out of Herring Range.

[slparker]

That lowe setup looks like army webbing in function.

Absolutely
Familiar with it and its function, capabilities and drawbacks
I can add any combination of ALICE or MOLLE gear to it. Took me about an hour to sew up the shoulder harness by hand and the wide polyester tubular really spreads the weight, the waist belt part took a few hours to get right
I then added the extra web ladder on the back of the H-harness to allow the S2S water bag to be carried there if need be or to strap other gear [ like wet poncho or spare jacket] if I need to and do not have a rucksack with me.
Water bottle on one hip and a SAW pouch on the other and still room for a FAK or other stuff like a second water bottle. The original M-1956 battle order was well thought out but clunky in implementation. '56 bum bag is twice the size expanded
The Lowe bag swaps from pack to pack so I always have a compass etc with me and don't have to think about where all the little stuff is

Nice. I like the idea of the bumbag with all the survival essentials with an H-harness for stability. I'd buy one for ski-touring! - there's no way I'd be seen dead with actual webbing and i'm not partial to the dinky bumbags the skate ski-iers use....

[beean]

That lowe setup looks like army webbing in function.

Absolutely
Familiar with it and its function, capabilities and drawbacks
I can add any combination of ALICE or MOLLE gear to it. Took me about an hour to sew up the shoulder harness by hand and the wide polyester tubular really spreads the weight, the waist belt part took a few hours to get right
I then added the extra web ladder on the back of the H-harness to allow the S2S water bag to be carried there if need be or to strap other gear [ like wet poncho or spare jacket] if I need to and do not have a rucksack with me.
Water bottle on one hip and a SAW pouch on the other and still room for a FAK or other stuff like a second water bottle. The original M-1956 battle order was well thought out but clunky in implementation. '56 bum bag is twice the size expanded
The Lowe bag swaps from pack to pack so I always have a compass etc with me and don't have to think about where all the little stuff is

Nice. I like the idea of the bumbag with all the survival essentials with an H-harness for stability. I'd buy one for ski-touring! - there's no way I'd be seen dead with actual webbing and i'm not partial to the dinky bumbags the skate ski-iers use....

I agree, it's a pretty good idea! The non-skate ski version, that is

Moondog, do you carry avy rescue gear as well? Or is it not really a concern back home?

[Moondog55]

If you want some of the wide blue webbing just send me a 500 gram prepaid and I'll pop some back to you with some 20mm tape too if I can find any of the LW stuff. That particular tin of herring has been in there almost since Adam was a pup, it's either that or a tin of cat food. I'm not sure what tastes worse
When I was in the CFA we often wore Vietnam webbing painted orange. a place for the water bottles and first-aid kit plus a jumper for wearing at nite

[Moondog55]

I stay away from avalanche areas beean but my ski poles are the probe type just in case and have the shovel there too

WE used to sell something very similar but sales were slow and small
Collapsing cornices are my biggest fear and I try and stay well down on the windward side on those

[beean]

I stay away from avalanche areas beean but my ski poles are the probe type just in case and have the shovel there too

WE used to sell something very similar but sales were slow and small
Collapsing cornices are my biggest fear and I try and stay well down on the windward side on those

Gotcha, I guess the snow pack isn't deep enough be too concerned with full burials?

[Moondog55]

On certain hills like Feathertop and Bogong it can be, but in those conditions I stay well away as I no longer ski that well.
I have in the past been caught up in small wet slab slips and been on the edge of large collapses. But in general we have no need to carry test kits and dig trenches/ saw pits to evaluate the risks
Avalanche Gully on Feathertop has claimed many lives but that is a long deep couloir with a huge cornice at the head.

[Moondog55]

As per my DIY post underclingmike is making me an UL down half bag to use with the LW sleeping bag to give a decent survival temperature system.
So I'm thinking I need a LW down vest as well now. It would be a replacement for my current vest which is an M-65 liner with the sleeves cut off. These will add a few hundred grams to the total carry weight but I don't think I can leave anything out ( except perhaps those herrings)

[stry]

I am no slave to use by dates, but the herrings need to be replaced with a fresh tin.

I also suggest that in best scandinavian culinary traditions, some mustard should be included in the pack to eat with the herrings.

[Moondog55]

I am no slave to use by dates, but the herrings need to be replaced with a fresh tin.

I also suggest that in best scandinavian culinary traditions, some mustard should be included in the pack to eat with the herrings.

Mustard with herring ???
Sacrilege!
Horseradish and sour cream and rye bread too, Hmm portion control rye-bread is a good idea. Pumpernickel in sealed foil coming up

[stry]

Portion controlled rye bread ?? Yeah - good luck with that

[Moondog55]

http://shop.coles.com.au/online/nationa ... mpernickel

http://www.mayers.com.au/PUMPERNICKEL-B ... 53635.html

Also

https://www.organicbuyersgroup.com.au/s ... ts_id=2318

[stry]

Perhaps I should have been clearer and highlighted "portion controlled"

[Moondog55]

Maybe I "NEED" bigger portions to ward off hypothermia. It did actually used to be available in a 4 slice pack, which is about as much real pumpernickel that some-one who isn't born German can eat. 2 packs of "Biscuits Survival" would do the same job id anybody wants to donate a few packs

[Moondog55]

Does anybody reading this thread have a link to any web page or document that compares Insulation thickness, Clo ratings and R-Values?
I am having some real trouble estimating the survival rating of my gear using the information at hand.
I "Think" I am well enough prepared but I don't want to get into a situation and be so cold that I need to call for help.

[Moondog55]

Pictures of the new half bag from Underclingmike with my old Thinsulate bag
Combined insulation thickness over 65mm if I count in the thermals and the OR insulated pants
I may even be a little warm at -5C

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Thinsulate bag 95GSM Already Nikwax treated

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The half bag laid over the top

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showing the loft in the foot section, very important to have more here

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Total loft 100mm+

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[Moondog55]

Another thickness shot

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From the side Box tape is 98mm

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[Moondog55]

Stry you will be pleased to note that in the interests of my personal food safety program I have replaced the tin of herring with 100 grams of dark chockolate and a small bag of black jelly beans, this of course now means an emergency is almost mandatory

[Moondog55]

I love keeping you all updated
I just swapped out the old Thinsulate bag that weighs a kilo with the small Mont-Bell Burrow bag I just bought from Nuts. Combination of the Burrow + the half bag weighs 980 grams and takes up less room
Won't be as warm but OK for my use

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[Moondog55]

See my review of the Burrow
The Thinsulate bag goes back in or I add a Tyvek bivvy
EDIT
To give this a fairish test I am going to try again tonite, this time I will add a pair of dry clean socks on the assumption that I may add a pair of explorers to my day pack, I'll use the LW Tyvek SB cover [+200 grams] and wear a pair of gloves and a beanie or balaclava

[Moondog55]

I've been talking to some SAR fellers on a US forum
Has anybody here used a Palmer Furnace in an emergency to get somebody warm in a hurry?
It's got me thinking I should find my UCO candle lantern and put it in the day pack
it's something I stopped using when LED strings became so cheap and so effective and so much lighter but that basically means I need to keep the poncho

[stry]

Could be a bit dodgy with hypothermia. Perhaps stimulating circulation away from the core to the colder extremities.

Does anybody reading this thread have a link to any web page or document that compares Insulation thickness, Clo ratings and R-Values?
I am having some real trouble estimating the survival rating of my gear using the information at hand.
I "Think" I am well enough prepared but I don't want to get into a situation and be so cold that I need to call for help.

Have you looked at the BPL guide which approximates loft to temp ratings ? It's a bit optimistic for me but is still a useful guide.