Wilderness Equipment V Hilleberg

[gisborne612]

Just wondering about anyone's thoughts on the comparison between WE 1st & 2nd Arrow tents V Hilleberg Nallo and Nallo GT.

[ILUVSWTAS]

Havent used either of those models, but imo Hilleberg poops all over WE.

[tasadam]

I have a friend who has the WE arrow (forget which but 2 person), and I have the Nallo2. Short answer is go the Nallo2 in my opinion. I'm very happy with it.

[pazzar]

Well for starters, WE tents take up a lot of space, but the Nallo 2 GT is also quite big. I definately agree with ILUVSWTAS in that Hilleberg are far better. The WE tents are quite heavy, the Second Arrow coming in at 2.8kg, where the Nallo is under 2kg I believe.

[ILUVSWTAS]

Yes Jared is correct. A couple of friends have the Arrow thingy, and while it looks solid, for what it is (quite small) it's very heavy.

[Franco]

The size of those two tents is not all that different.




The reported in use weight of the Nallo is 2100-2200 g , the Second Arrow is listed at 257o g , so 300/400g heavier.
The Gt is a tad heavier than the WE 2A and about 85cm longer
added..
Just noticed that Bogong lists the Second Arrow ( "silicon" but I am pretty sure they mean silicone version...) at 2.42 kg.
Bogong used to list the average real weight not the manufacturers one, don't know if they still do that.
BTW, I have been inside both of them , however never seen them side by side.

Franco

Last edited by Franco on Thu 15 Sep, 2011 8:53 pm, edited 2 times in total.

[ILUVSWTAS]

Thats surprising Franco. I've never seen a Nallo in the flesh, but i have the arrows. And they look very very low!!

[Nuts]

Thats surprising Franco. I've never seen a Nallo in the flesh, but i have the arrows. And they look very very low!!

So that's how you spell supprise suprize surprise.. i'm a sloppy spella .. The Nallo is 40", 1.01m, not a big tent. Mineret might be another contender gisborne?

[ILUVSWTAS]

Thats surprising Franco. I've never seen a Nallo in the flesh, but i have the arrows. And they look very very low!!

So that's how you spell supprise suprize surprise.. i'm a sloppy spella .. The Nallo is 40", 1.01m, not a big tent. Mineret might be another contender gisborne?

I noticed your supprise. I thought it might have been the chinese side in you coming out.

Minaret = best tent i've ever seen. Just too heavy!!! I still use mine on car camping trips.

[gisborne612]

How do you think the 2 compare re stability, ventilation and general ability to withstand poor weather?

[Nuts]

Confucius would say that three poles are better than two. I haven't used the arrow but I would imagine, both being twin pole tents they would handle wind in a similar way. The Nallo has very little in the way of mesh but generally handles condensation well... here in Tas, where its never that hot.. Probably overkill elsewhere but I have a mesh inner that i'll be trying over summer (they do get 'warm' on the odd warm night)

(edit: work damn b button )

[north-north-west]

Can't speak for the WE, but I love my Nallo. Roomy, not too heavy, really easy to pitch, breathes well, nice and comfy.

[ninjapuppet]

These arent WE Arrows, but we had a couple of WE Darts at our whitewater rafting camp last week.
Nothing wrong with the Wilderness equipment brand, but i dont think you can compare it to a hilleberg in terms of workmanship. Hilleberg quality is a good couple of notches above WE.

And thats my yellow Shangrila tent of choice when packrafting

[ILUVSWTAS]

Whats that awful looking flat sided thing in the middle right?? Looks like it'd fall over in a breeze??

[ninjapuppet]

It was a $200 Eureka spitfire

[Nuts]

Tarptent? (ok.. relax.. looks like a nutrino? doesnt look well pitched either way?)

Do you mean stitching wise np? Maybe its the o/s manufacture? Haven't bought any for a while but WE was always very well built.

[NickD]

Are they comparable price wise? I have a WE Second Arrow Sili (was given to me as sponsorship! So maybe I'm supposed to say this...) but I can vouch for it in a big way. I used it for 51 nights straight and it took every kind of pounding possible (including from me, self confessed pisspoor at looking after my own kit). On King Will 2 Plateau when a storm rolled in which forced us tent bound for 3 days straight, it withstood the harshest of the South West Tasmanian October winds at 1300m. It's been used frequently since then until my last 5 months in the Top End, where it was redundant (back home now, time Mr Second Arrow for some more rain and pain!!). However it would be nice if it was a bigger tent, and yes its a little heavy. But for $600 AUS (and if you can't get a discount your a fool) it holds it own against the best in terms of quality to price ratio. Although, how much are Hilles?

[ILUVSWTAS]

Akto's are surprisingly cheap. Soulo's around the $600 area.

[ILUVSWTAS]

It was a $200 Eureka spitfire

WAS? Did it die?

[Nuts]

Akto's are surprisingly cheap. Soulo's around the $600 area.

(Theres an used akto on the US forum for $300..( ) I sold two earlier in winter for $355/365). I'm told $430 new 'delivered'..?.. Pretty good value either way. There have been a couple of times when a freestanding model would have been nice. Still.. always seems to be a way (or somewhere). Personally, think i'd rather have the space of the Nallo than a Soulo for solo use, maye a bit limiting if forced to camp in scrub i guess. Really dont like tents that 'fall away' over your head area)

For two, definitely if one is taller, the Nallo3 over the 2. Specific for lots of wind and snow camping the Macpac Olympus would be tempting. I did read a topic about internal guys on a Nallo, interesting, just a few grams of webbing.. might ease it getting as flappy in high winds.

Thats a pretty good endorsement from Nick though for the WE tent.

[gisborne612]

It is often mentioned that the WE 1st and 2nd Arrows are versatile and have great ventilation. Are the Nallo and Nallo GT similar in those respects. Can the inners of the Hillebergs be pulled back to provide more space in the vestibule?

[tasadam]

Are the Nallo and Nallo GT similar in those respects?

Can't compare them to the WE because I've only seen a second arrow in use once, and was less than impressed with the vestibule space and side entry.
I don't have any ventilation issues in the Nallo2 or Nallo3. I don't have a GT.

Can the inners of the Hillebergs be pulled back to provide more space in the vestibule?

Definitely, very easily, I do it all the time. It's of course a temporary thing like when you cook or if you are sorting out a great pile of wet gear.
In the Nallo2, the vestibule is large enough to have two packs stuffed on one side, one on top of the other, utilising the waist belt if needed to help them stay together so one doesn't slide off. On the other side we stack our boots, water bottles, and stove when not in use. When it is in use it's in the middle of the vestibule, close to where the main door goes but that the inner is pulled back a bit.
I set the camera tripod up over the stove, allowing it to help hold back the outer door. And of course it's undone a bit at the top to act as a bit of a chimney. That's when the weather is bad of course.

The zip and 2 flappy bits at the back of the outer on the Nallo are always undone on my tent, I don't find I get too much ventilation as a result and haven't needed to have it done up, except for once on Moonlight Ridge in the ferocious wind.
Hope that helps.

[casey79]

Minaret = best tent i've ever seen. Just too heavy!!! I still use mine on car camping trips.

The minaret is 2.1kg. Not what I would class as a heavy tent.

[tasadam]

The minaret is 2.1kg. Not what I would class as a heavy tent.

Agree re the weight. The Nallo2 is also 2.1kg, and the Nallo3 is only 300 grams heavier at 2.4

Actually, the minimum on the Minaret is 2.1, total weight 2.4
I found that info HERE.
Not sure what they leave out between "minimum" and ""total".