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[Strider]

PWS are a government department. They do what they're told.

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[aloftas]

Colourful descriptions,aloftas...luv it.....

Just trying to alleviate the Cabin Fever Vicrev.
Goretex is wet through...fingers are numb...not enough atmospheric pressure to get the trangia alight...gas is frozen, my "insert catchy name here) Outer Limits Taffeta gown has wet out and wetgoose feathers are hanging limply out of the stitching and here is this guy, belly achin in a most bellicose manner about keeping it real?!
No, in all seriousness....Tassie is seen as a joke on the world stage.

Not many places with the heritage values that it has.

I can imagine, should we all decide to walk the area together...if this forum was real time...

what a chorus or cacophony of chuckling campers, we would be.



Enough from me...

[north-north-west]

Don't you think PWS would have made a fuss if access to one of their Parks was being closed for close to 3 weeks unnecessarily. Or are they in on the conspiracy with goodness knows who else to dupe the public via this public notice?

Given that the current TasPAWS Director is a political appointee with a pro-development agenda - no, they wouldn't make a fuss.

[RichB]

Anyone would think Tasmania was run by a corrupt 3rd world Govt or something...Why oh why does tasmania an island of half a million people need a Govt or any other state in australia come to that..Its an absolute joke and laughing stock of the world..

[Hallu]

To be clear, they're not cutting in Hartz Mountains National Park itself are they ? Anyway SBS, I support you into checking what exactly those guys are up to... Doing the cutting quietly while the roads are closed feels wrong. The logging industry usually doesn't wait until road repairs to send off their logging trucks down the roads at insane speeds and doesn't care about other cars...

[pazzar]

Anyone would think Tasmania was run by a corrupt 3rd world Govt or something...Why oh why does tasmania an island of half a million people need a Govt or any other state in australia come to that..Its an absolute joke and laughing stock of the world..

We understand your point RichB, but how about you start offering up some solution to your anti-government rants! I tire of reading them.

To be clear, they're not cutting in Hartz Mountains National Park itself are they ? Anyway SBS, I support you into checking what exactly those guys are up to... Doing the cutting quietly while the roads are closed feels wrong. The logging industry usually doesn't wait until road repairs to send off their logging trucks down the roads at insane speeds and doesn't care about other cars...

Unless you want to walk from Southwood Road or Adamson's Peak, yes access to Hartz NP is completely blocked.

[vicrev]

Colourful descriptions,aloftas...luv it.....

Just trying to alleviate the Cabin Fever Vicrev.
Goretex is wet through...fingers are numb...not enough atmospheric pressure to get the trangia alight...gas is frozen, my "insert catchy name here) Outer Limits Taffeta gown has wet out and wetgoose feathers are hanging limply out of the stitching and here is this guy, belly achin in a most bellicose manner about keeping it real?!
No, in all seriousness....Tassie is seen as a joke on the world stage.

Not many places with the heritage values that it has.

I can imagine, should we all decide to walk the area together...if this forum was real time...

what a chorus or cacophony of chuckling campers, we would be.



Enough from me...

Chuckling campers ???? More like World War 3 of the Bushwalkers !!. ...........Good on yer aloftas,glad someone else can see the funny side of all this, he said,she said crap..........L I G H T E N U P P E O P L E !!! ......Give your egos a holiday,you have so much bushwalking experience, do not waste your knowledge, on senseless bickering!!!

[geoskid]

Don't you think PWS would have made a fuss if access to one of their Parks was being closed for close to 3 weeks unnecessarily. Or are they in on the conspiracy with goodness knows who else to dupe the public via this public notice?

Given that the current TasPAWS Director is a political appointee with a pro-development agenda - no, they wouldn't make a fuss.

NNW - do you think the posted public notice is not a true description of the works to be undertaken? If not, why not?

[geoskid]

Anyone would think Tasmania was run by a corrupt 3rd world Govt or something...Why oh why does tasmania an island of half a million people need a Govt or any other state in australia come to that..Its an absolute joke and laughing stock of the world..

I don't think that RichB, and I care about what I think.

[geoskid]

Don't you think PWS would have made a fuss if access to one of their Parks was being closed for close to 3 weeks unnecessarily. Or are they in on the conspiracy with goodness knows who else to dupe the public via this public notice?

Given that the current TasPAWS Director is a political appointee with a pro-development agenda - no, they wouldn't make a fuss.

But if one were to fall into the trap of thinking this notice was anything other than what it says, one would have to think that any person within PWS that knew.. Why do I spell it out to intelligent people?

I get that people don't like trees being cut down.
Harder to understand, but I think I am someway there, is the propensity for people to make *&%$#! up to support their opinion. That is my interest in this thread.

[corvus]

Anyone would think Tasmania was run by a corrupt 3rd world Govt or something...Why oh why does tasmania an island of half a million people need a Govt or any other state in australia come to that..Its an absolute joke and laughing stock of the world..

RichB you are so full of it again have you got an Anarchist cell up there in your "Bogan Land" or do the Black Shirts frighten you I suspect you are young and impressionable as you in one way seem to promote "Green" ethics yet denigrate those who require help which I thought was important to the needy more so than saving a Plantation Tree,just saying

[geoskid]

Colourful descriptions,aloftas...luv it.....

Just trying to alleviate the Cabin Fever Vicrev.
Goretex is wet through...fingers are numb...not enough atmospheric pressure to get the trangia alight...gas is frozen, my "insert catchy name here) Outer Limits Taffeta gown has wet out and wetgoose feathers are hanging limply out of the stitching and here is this guy, belly achin in a most bellicose manner about keeping it real?!
No, in all seriousness....Tassie is seen as a joke on the world stage.

Not many places with the heritage values that it has.

I can imagine, should we all decide to walk the area together...if this forum was real time...

what a chorus or cacophony of chuckling campers, we would be.



Enough from me...

Hey Aloftas,

I get the impression that you care about things being talked about in this thread.
I, for one, would like to read what you want to say. I may want to ask for clarification sometimes, hope you don't mind.

[north-north-west]

I get that people don't like trees being cut down.

I don't have a problem with trees being cut down. Timber is a very useful substance.
I do have a problem with the unnecessary, non-economical and environmentally destructive chain clearing of old-growth forests.

Harder to understand, but I think I am someway there, is the propensity for people to make *&%$#! up to support their opinion. That is my interest in this thread.

What has been made up?

[aloftas]

Hi Geoskid.
Thanks for the kind words.
I guess, in a nutshell, we are given to be stewards of the planet.
Tassie is our patch to look after, to balance integrity, industrialization constraints with access for the appreciation of the natural world.
It is really people from the northern hemisphere who truly appreciate "pristine" as by in large the atmospheric pollution of the northern hemisphere has, in places caused degradation etc.
If we are to be successful stewards of the planet we must learn to adapt to the restrictions of ecology.
The ultimate Art of Bushcraft is to be as a passing shadow over the landscape...this land has been continuously occupied for 50 000 years plus.

We need to afford it the respect it deserves.

I need to shut up, but thanks geoskid, for the opportunity to speak.

Be nice to each other out there.

Make Tassie known as the mecca for friendly helpful inclusive walking.

Safe. Warm.

Considered reason based on experience rather than the brute efficiency of pure technical analysis.

Anyway...enough from me.

Cheers

[geoskid]

What has been made up?

What is being made up in this thread is an alternative story to what has been posted in the public notice by FT. There seems to be a reluctance to accept FT's up front account of what they are going to do.
Some appear to have trouble accepting that Tahune airwalk is having maintenance carried out, and the road is being repaired, and whilst that is happening, taking the opportunity to harvest a coupe.

Some are performing mental gymnastics to imply that FT want to harvest the coupe, and using road closures, or 'denied access ' as a cover, [i]disregarding[/i ]further thought about what this implies and who it might implicate, all because that's what humans unthinkingly do to those who's behaviour we strongly disapprove of.

Set me straight.

[stepbystep]

Set me straight.

There's no hope for that. Unless, god forbid, you go for a walk through a forest like this.....................

[geoskid]

Hi Geoskid.
Thanks for the kind words.
I guess, in a nutshell, we are given to be stewards of the planet.
Tassie is our patch to look after, to balance integrity, industrialization constraints with access for the appreciation of the natural world.
It is really people from the northern hemisphere who truly appreciate "pristine" as by in large the atmospheric pollution of the northern hemisphere has, in places caused degradation etc.
If we are to be successful stewards of the planet we must learn to adapt to the restrictions of ecology.
The ultimate Art of Bushcraft is to be as a passing shadow over the landscape...this land has been continuously occupied for 50 000 years plus.

We need to afford it the respect it deserves.

I need to shut up, but thanks geoskid, for the opportunity to speak.

Be nice to each other out there.

Make Tassie known as the mecca for friendly helpful inclusive walking.

Safe. Warm.

Considered reason based on experience rather than the brute efficiency of pure technical analysis.

Anyway...enough from me.

Cheers

Thanks Aloftas,

I think humans have appointed themselves stewards (where might they have got that idea from) well before we realized we are just another species of animal. Pulling our heads in is probably too late. Happy to read more.
Cheers

[stepbystep]

Pretty pathetic stewards aren't we?

[geoskid]

Pretty pathetic stewards aren't we?

Yes, we are.

[Mechanic-AL]

Some are performing mental gymnastics to imply that FT want to harvest the coupe, and using road closures, or 'denied access ' as a cover, [i]disregarding[/i ]further thought about what this implies and who it might implicate, all because that's what humans unthinkingly do to those who's behaviour we strongly disapprove of.

Set me straight.

I don't really give a rats if FT are using cloak and dagger tactics to get the logs or if they are going about this right under everyones noses. Thats hardly even an issue. What is alarming is that in this day and age it is still acceptable to some to be cutting down trees like the ones in these photos. How long will it take for some people to realise we are stuffing this planet faster than it can repair itself. Lets not cloud the really issue with petty little squabbles.

[geoskid]

Some are performing mental gymnastics to imply that FT want to harvest the coupe, and using road closures, or 'denied access ' as a cover, [i]disregarding[/i ]further thought about what this implies and who it might implicate, all because that's what humans unthinkingly do to those who's behaviour we strongly disapprove of.

Set me straight.

I don't really give a rats if FT are using cloak and dagger tactics to get the logs or if they are going about this right under everyones noses. Thats hardly even an issue. What is alarming is that in this day and age it is still acceptable to some to be cutting down trees like the ones in these photos. How long will it take for some people to realise we are stuffing this planet faster than it can repair itself. Lets not cloud the really issue with petty little squabbles.

Hey Al (can I call you Al?),
You have attributed to NNW my own scribblings

I hear you. I think you are mistaken. Since when has truth been the sacrificial lamb of emotions?...Oh ,yeah, we are talking about humans. Well, when we can shrug that sentimental notion off, we may have a better chance.

[Nuts]

someone should really set hallu straight.

[north-north-west]

What has been made up?

What is being made up in this thread is an alternative story to what has been posted in the public notice by FT. There seems to be a reluctance to accept FT's up front account of what they are going to do.
Some appear to have trouble accepting that Tahune airwalk is having maintenance carried out, and the road is being repaired, and whilst that is happening, taking the opportunity to harvest a coupe.

Some are performing mental gymnastics to imply that FT want to harvest the coupe, and using road closures, or 'denied access ' as a cover, [i]disregarding[/i ]further thought about what this implies and who it might implicate, all because that's what humans unthinkingly do to those who's behaviour we strongly disapprove of.

Set me straight.

Ummmm - so you always believe 100% everything ever said by a government department? I didn't think that level of naivety still existed in this world.

People who have driven on the road within the last few days are telling you it is in fine condition - you think they're making that up just to suit their agenda? But you have no trouble accepting that what FT are saying is completely true? Despite their track record?
You really cannot believe that it's just as likely that - given the history - FT are determined to log those coupes and are using airwalk maintenance as an excuse?

OK. Nice bubble you live in.

[weetbix456]

Sometimes I truly wish I could curl up in an oblivious sheltered bubble myself...This seems like a real shame, surely without much actual incentive for the pro-coupers bar saving face to a large chunk of a population undeterred by the go ahead of such baffling scenarios.

[GPSGuided]

I think humans have appointed themselves stewards (where might they have got that idea from) well before we realized we are just another species of animal...

What? Not God's favourite children? LOL

[north-north-west]

I think humans have appointed themselves stewards (where might they have got that idea from) well before we realized we are just another species of animal...

Maybe because we have such tremendous ability to have an impact and we've realised we have to make sure that impact is as limited as possible - or even for the better. You know, the quaint animalistic concept of not $#!+ing in one's own nest.

[aloftas]

Thanks Aloftas,

I think humans have appointed themselves stewards (where might they have got that idea from) well before we realized we are just another species of animal. Pulling our heads in is probably too late. Happy to read more.
Cheers

I wont get into the theological aspects of stewardship.
What I will say is that we are pretty much the only species on the planet which must modify our habitat and wear clothes for survival..(Except for the rare Bakers Beach type of person)...and where we must modify, the animal kingdom adapts. Look at how a wallaby is at home on a fresh drift of snow...no postholing for that little guy..his nose points him in the direction and off he goes.,,bounding as if without a care and leaving an impression a few inches deep, if that.

No, humans are stewards because of capability, no other reason.

The cerebral coretex and the opposing thumb are a lethal combination.

What needs to happen, is sentience and salience need to collide.

By that, I mean that we must not only be cognizant of our surroundings a the course we are taking, but aware also of the subtleties and "etheric breezes" which are blowing.


Change is coming, and faster than many will anticipate.

We are on a world stage with plenty of overseas visitors. These people need to be accorded the respect they deserve, not to be seen as simply an opportunity for ten bucks a pie and coffee.

We...need to learn to resect the earth on which we tread, look out to the heavens with a sense of wonder, as I can ASSURE you, the heavens are looking at us, with a sense of wonder coupled with despair...

We cant be seen as wood hooking lumberjacks with an interest in minerals.

Timber, mining are essential, but must be held in balance with cutting edge adherence to worlds best practices, and not merely lip service.

Anyway.

[GPSGuided]

Human greed, source of evils.

[photohiker]

What is being made up in this thread is an alternative story to what has been posted in the public notice by FT. There seems to be a reluctance to accept FT's up front account of what they are going to do.

What FT posts in a public notice isn't necessarily the whole truth. They post a sanitised version of events to raise the minimum public interest. Any wonder there is a reluctance to accept the sanitised version.

If you think FT is just doing some minor maintenance and they are not going to log the hell out of old growth forest coupes while their excuse covers their tracks then I have a beautiful bridge for you to buy. It's unique, and you will be surprised at the bargain price I have on it.

[stepbystep]

I wont get into the theological aspects of stewardship.
What I will say is that we are pretty much the only species on the planet which must modify our habitat and wear clothes for survival..(Except for the rare Bakers Beach type of person)...and where we must modify, the animal kingdom adapts. Look at how a wallaby is at home on a fresh drift of snow...no postholing for that little guy..his nose points him in the direction and off he goes.,,bounding as if without a care and leaving an impression a few inches deep, if that.

No, humans are stewards because of capability, no other reason.

The cerebral coretex and the opposing thumb are a lethal combination.

What needs to happen, is sentience and salience need to collide.

By that, I mean that we must not only be cognizant of our surroundings a the course we are taking, but aware also of the subtleties and "etheric breezes" which are blowing.


Change is coming, and faster than many will anticipate.

We are on a world stage with plenty of overseas visitors. These people need to be accorded the respect they deserve, not to be seen as simply an opportunity for ten bucks a pie and coffee.

We...need to learn to resect the earth on which we tread, look out to the heavens with a sense of wonder, as I can ASSURE you, the heavens are looking at us, with a sense of wonder coupled with despair...

We cant be seen as wood hooking lumberjacks with an interest in minerals.

Timber, mining are essential, but must be held in balance with cutting edge adherence to worlds best practices, and not merely lip service.

Anyway.

Amen! Nicely said aloftas